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    Tuesday, January 10, 2006

    Stella asks...

    WHO DIDN’T DO IT?

    “I knew he was the killer from page 27."

    Most writers have been told–with enormous glee–that a reader figured out an entire plot within a chapter or two. Our reactions probably don’t mirror what we’re really thinking in those moments!

    Of course, guessing the villain is impossible with one of my stories so if someone tries the “I knew” on me, I’m convinced I’m being baited and I laugh at such nonsense . . . I won’t be amused if you suggest you don’t know who the villain is after you’ve finished one of my books.

    But this topic is on my mind as much as a reader as a writer. Regardless of the genre I’m reading, I tend to choose books with at least a tip of the hat to relationship. And fully developed characters are a must for me. Even in a hard-boiled police procedural I expect the cop I’m supposed to pull for to have people in his life other than corpses. In a more psychological thriller/mystery, unless we have an anti-hero and we’re supposed to be in his/her head and race through the pages praying his victims wise up before it’s too late, whoever “dunnit” had better be hard to spot.

    It’s fun to have those brilliant moments when you yell (preferably in your head) “got it.” Even better, is to read on and start doubting your conclusions. Best of all comes the story that keeps the reader guessing and changing deductions until all is supposed to be revealed.

    A very small cast of characters can be manipulated to make it tough to spot the criminal–and when these stories really work, they’re fantastic mind-benders. Too few characters, in many hands, may be the kiss-of-death. Forgive me:)

    Vaguely developed potential bad people wipe out the tension for this reader. These characters–frequently in bit parts and teamed with one well-developed, obvious culprit, ruin a story. And I don’t want to know who “dunnit” until the end.

    What do you think detracts from a story with a hidden killer or villain? Does it bother you to be misled? Are you happy to unravel the mystery many chapters before the story is over?

    23 Comments:

    Blogger KathyK said...

    I love it when I have trouble figuring out "whodunnit". But one of the things that kept me from enjoying Sherlock Homes after awhile was that he had arcane knowledge that wasn't shared with the reader and the reader was not allowed to participate in the discovery process. If the story and characters are well-developed, there is plenty of opportunity to confuse the reader about whodunnit, just as in real life the cops don't always find the perp. But at the end, I should be able to look back at clues in plain sight and say,"Why didn't I pay attention to that?"

    6:28 AM  
    Blogger Deb R said...

    I don't mind being skillfully misled, but it drives me nuts when an author pops up with a "suprise villain" at the very end - you know, someone who has hardly shown up in the story at all, or when, as Kathy mentions above, figuring out who it is would depend on a clue that isn't revealed until the killer is unmasked.

    But if the author can give me fully developed characters and all the necessary clues to figure it out, yet still keep me guessing until the end, I love that!

    6:43 AM  
    Anonymous Teresa said...

    I have no problem reading a book where I have figured out "whodunit", when the story is well written. I was able to figure out most of Agatha Christie's villians - yet it never really detracted from the stories because they were so well done.

    As the ladies above pointed out - it is most annoying when the killer is a "pop up". If you have to know something you couldn't possibly have learned reading the story or wouldn't know through general knowledge of life. (although the last changes as the years go on so what was general knowledge in 1850 or 1950 is much different from today)

    Most annoying are killers don't appear and who have a motive dating back "pre-story" that is never mentioned in the book until the end. I've even read a few where the movements of the killer during the story, just don't mesh with the resolution at the end... (bad editing for not catching it!)

    So I guess, while I don't mind figuring out who the culprit is early on... I do mind a poorly written story that makes no logical sense. Logic is the prime driver in whodunits... when it's lacking - the result is a very poor story indeed.

    8:47 AM  
    Blogger BUGG said...

    My feelings are kind-of mixed on this topic. If the characters are well developed, then I have NO PROBLEM if I happen to figure out 'whodunit'. There are two types of novels that I dread reading. Ones where you KNOW 'whodunit' after a few chapters and those where the villin pops up at the end out of the clear blue. If the author has to use several chapters to explain WHY, then I get irritated.
    The books I just love are those where you may guess the who, but then wonder if you picked the right person as you read.
    However, there is a fine line between having well-developed characters and having too many characters that you can't remember who is who.

    10:56 AM  
    Anonymous ButterflyLane said...

    Pop-ups are the worst- unless we get clues throughout the book. I like finding out the character I've thought was the bad guy really isn't- as long as it's not a complete personality switch. (You know- he tortures small animals and kills ten people during the book, then poof! in the last chapter it's revealed that he's the hero's long lost amnesiac brother and he regains his memory and is suddenly good. Gag me. Please.) Even if the character isn't actually introduced during the story, we need hints about him or her. I like figuring out who 'dunnit' before the end, but I want it to be work. There's a feeling of great accomplishment when you solve the puzzle.

    Oh, and OT- Suzanne- just finished Sweetheart, Indiana yesterday. Stayed up half the night doing it, too. :P I loved it- and I have to ask... were Jayne's Epicurian Delights, Stella's Nails, and Ann's Art Gallery and Scrapbook Supplies named for Jayne, Stella and Elizabeth? (Now I just have to be patient until Goodnight, Sweetheart comes in- the store oopsied and didn't order it with the first one. Sigh.... The manager promised it would be in this week- she better be right.) I'll find something to read- maybe even my Sociology text, since there's a quiz in the morning.

    2:11 PM  
    Blogger DFender said...

    I have mixed feelings myself... I like reading Grafton's Kinsey Millhone "alphabet" series and I can usually figure out the villain. Then again, I like reading books like yours where I have a much harder time getting a glimpse of the bad guy. I do have to say that I can't stand "underdeveloped" characters that seem so uno-dimensional. Ack.

    5:20 PM  
    Blogger Jay said...

    I hate it when I figure out who the bad guy is right near the beginning of the book - it takes the fun out of the plot evolution. There are also some books written in such a way that you can't consider anyone else for the bad guy - I recently finished one where it appeared the only person who didn't suspect the neighbourhood psycho was the heroine. Since she was otherwise a smart, appealing and well created character, this was vaguely annoying.

    That said, I don't mind being misled as to the bad guy, but only if his eventual unmasking makes it all seem logical and everything falls into place. If they unveil him and I'm thinking "you've got to be joking", then the book isn't much of a success in my eyes.

    I'll also jump on the "I hate pop-ups" bandwagon too - wafting the bad guy about but hiding his nefarious tendancies until the appropriate moment is great; pulling hitherto unmentioned Joe Bloggs out of a hat in the last chapter and attempting to justify his existence is ridiculous.

    6:27 PM  
    Blogger Keely said...

    Congratulations on your new blog! I think it's a great idea to band together. Less stress and more humor is always a good thing!

    I usually always guess whodunnit by chapter 3, even in books where the writers says she changes the killer when she's done. But I enjoy the journey, not the puzzle, so it doesn't take anything away.

    Happy Writing!

    Keely
    aka Jacquie

    9:11 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

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    9:30 PM  
    Anonymous Denise said...

    Great blog!

    I love it when I "think" I've figured out whodunnit. I feel so smug and self satisfied but then realize in the next several chapters that there's no way he/she could have dunnit... until a few chapters later when I think they might have again. Those are my favorites, when a well-developed character I would not have believed could possibly "doit" actually "doesit".

    10:31 PM  
    Blogger Stella said...

    "Popup" is my new term for johnny-come-lately villains. I appreciate every comment--particularly since I agree with every one!

    5:51 AM  
    Anonymous Celeste said...

    I'm afraid I can't really add anything new to what has already been said, but I agree that if I guess the "whodunnit" early on, the story kind of goes downhill from there.

    7:14 AM  
    Blogger Suzanne Simmons said...

    Dear butterflylane,

    Yes, the "shops" in Sweetheart, Indiana were named for Jayne, Stella, and Ann Elizabeth. I also sneaked Cissy's name in there as webmaster for Minerva's business, Water From the Moon.:-) You'll see them mentioned again in Goodnight, Sweetheart.

    Thanks for letting me know you enjoyed the first book!

    8:46 AM  
    Blogger Reese said...

    These days, plenty of movies have bigs twists in the end. You see that in some books, too, but rarely in Romance. I'd like to see that.

    1:42 PM  
    Blogger DFender said...

    Come to think of it some of my favorite books are by Robert B. Parker... even though the villain is pretty much revealed in the first quarter of the book it's a damn fun and funny ride on the way through the plot. I guess it just comes down to how creative and thorough the author is, right? Great characters and a good story make me happy, regardless of the type (mystery, romance, thriller, etc)so if the ride is good, I'm happy regardless.

    1:57 PM  
    Blogger Stella said...

    While it is obviously the case that individual readers have different feelings about being able to ‘spot the villain’, there is an important point that has not been mentioned. Classic whodunnits (Christie, Marsh, Sayers, Crispin et. al.) have formal rules: they are written specifically as intellectual puzzles, and it is incumbent upon the author to plant appropriate clues for the reader. The whodunnit is often not in any sense suspenseful, nor is it necessarily intended to be – it consists of the analysis of crime(s) after the event.
    Relatively few of these are written these days, though they survive in TV shows such as the CSI series. The mystery/suspense fiction genre is NOT the same as the whodunnit, and the required elements of excitement, anxiety and foreboding may be present even if the reader knows precisely who the villain is from the very beginning. The mystery/suspense will often adopt elements of the whodunnit, however, by keeping back the identity of the villain till a late stage, but it still depends more on characterisation and psychological insights than on analytical puzzle-solving for its effects, and it is not subject to the same formal rules.
    I think that the blurred line of demarcation between the whodunnit and the suspense novel is the reason why some readers feel let down when they divine the identity of the criminal early on.

    Posted by Stella for Catherine Johns in London.

    3:39 PM  
    Blogger talpianna said...

    I often tend to solve mysteries by authors I know well by the gestalt method--for example, in John Dickson Carr/Carter Dickson's books, the villain will usually be the person who appears to be physically unable to commit the crime, or who has a perfect alibi. My favorite of his was one in which the murderer was never a suspect because his only role in the story seemed to be to try to sell the other charactes insurance! (Turned out he was someone with a motive, in disguise).

    In the late Charlotte MacLeod/Alisa Craig's books, the murderer will usually be a seemingly minor character, one upon whom suspicion may have rested, but usually not the principal suspect. In most mysteries with a romance element, the protagonist's love interest will be the principal suspect but never the guilty one--unless there's a really good replacement waiting in the wings!

    I give up in advance on solving the kind of story that requires a map or a time chart; I'm no good at keeping track of those details and am not interested in trying. I'm more interested in figuring out things like: Would X commit a murder for money, or only for revenge? Does Y possibly have a motive other than the one we've seen? Can we believe Z, or does he have a good reason to lie? In other words, I like to figure out a mystery based on character rather than detail. I do enjoy the "Challenge to the Reader" (popularized back in the 1920s by Ellery Queen; before that the "play fair and give the reader all the clues" was not an absolute rule of the genre); but if it's too complicated, I just give up.

    If I like a book, I like to reread it, which means that a mystery has to hold more appeal for me than whodunnit. I need to really like the characters/settings/dialogue, as in the mysteries of Jane Langton and Dorothy L. Sayers, for example. It's like the man who boasted about his newly-designed Gothic-vista garden, with a surprise around every turn of the path, only to be asked, "But what if one walks through your garden a second time?" (from a Thomas Love Peacock novel).

    3:44 PM  
    Blogger FAO said...

    As long as the book is 'well written,' it doesn't matter to me when I solve the mystery in the book-- just so long as I am right when I reach the end of the book. ::grin::

    Francesca A. Ortiz

    2:51 PM  
    Anonymous Deena said...

    I agree with the comments about "well written is more important than exactly when I know whodunit". I also really enjoy Dick Francis, whose books I would describe as "Why dunnit". It isn't even a murder in every book. Although they have action (male genre after all), there are well developed characters, relationships - romantic, family and friend, and interesting background color. I love a "hero" who isn't physically perfect or egocentric. A heroine who has a few figure flaws or lacks dress sense is great too.

    A good read is something that I would keep and read again once the details get fuzzy in memory.

    I am usually more interested in the playing out of a scene than exactly the bottom line. That doesn't mean that the plot isn't important, it is, but it is only one factor in a book.

    8:25 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I don't mind knowing "who dunnit" before finishing the book. In fact, at times I am one of "those" people who read the ending of the book first. The journey is what intrigues me.

    When I get to the end, I just have to read it a second time.

    10:28 AM  
    Blogger Smucci said...

    I love mysterys (dating back to my Nancy Drew days) and the more dificult to figure out the better. what I hate is when there are a lot of extra people with odd names and relationships who are just extra distractions.

    7:30 PM  
    Blogger Stella said...

    smucci: We have similar tastes and similar dislikes. I do expect characters to be well-developed if I'm to love them.

    12:17 PM  
    Blogger PenniesFromHeaven said...

    I love reading many different types of books. A good mystery is a great mental exerciser. I don’t mind figuring out who-did-it...if I’m right! I was reading one of my J.D. Robb books and I read a page and thought...I bet that cop’s dirty...why else would he hit on Peabody as well as Dallas? It was great to find out at the end that I had guessed correctly.

    12:22 PM  

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