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    Thursday, February 16, 2006

    Hobbits and Spaceships and Elves--Oh My!

    I have been invited to say a few words about science fiction and fantasy, which is entirely appropriate on a blog sponsored by a group of romance writers.

    You see, “romance” is a lot more than love stories. The word comes from roman, the name of a vernacular language intermediate between Late Latin and Old French. It later came to mean the kind of stories told in the vernacular, as opposed to the classy stuff written in Latin: stories of adventure, of magic, and of course, love. Later all sorts of things were incorporated, including love of nature, interest in primitive people, and even love of democracy. But one element remains constant, and has since Gilgamesh: the Quest.

    Jayne has commented that one of the reasons romance novels are so popular is that they affirm the traditional values of our culture, like courage, honor, loyalty, and altruism, as well as love. I think that another reason genre fiction IS popular, and only SF and fantasy rival romance, is that they incorporate the quest. Even mystery fiction does so: the object of the quest being to find out whodunit.

    Incidentally, SF and fantasy are not interchangeable terms: fantasy is a much older genre, going back to the aforesaid Gilgamesh; science fiction is a much more recent development, in some ways a subset of fantasy, in others a much more intellectual genre. Both, however, primarily rely on the marvelous. In fantasy, the quest is usually straightforward—seeking the Holy Grail, the Well at the World’s End, a new home for a colony of rabbits, a lost or imprisoned king or princess, the One Ring or its destruction.

    SF tends to combine the marvelous as a setting with the quest as problem-solving: How are we going to defeat/make friends with these aliens? Repair our damaged ship? Get to where we are going?

    A lot of books today talk about writing fiction in terms of the quest, with titles like The Writer’s Journey; this is very much influenced by Joseph Campbell’s classic The Hero with a Thousand Faces. According to Campbell, the quest is achieved when the hero returns to change his society in some way. In fantasy, it may be discovering the magic object that will defeat the foe or heal the wounded Fisher King (the sword or the Grail); in SF it is usually solving the problem so that we win/we make friends/fix the ship/arrive safely. And of course, one of the traditional ends of the quest is the hero winning the hand of the heroine—hence romance enters the fold.

    One thing that both SF and fantasy can do is extrapolate—the “what if?” factor. In SF, it is often the future development of a culture: what if a planet was settled by members of the Society for Creative Anachronism? What if there were three sexes? What if we met a powerful enemy in space? In fantasy, it tends to be magical archetypes—dragons, enchantresses, spells, magical rings and swords—which highlight the kind of choices we make in everyday life by setting them off dramatically: betraying one’s friends (Boromir in Lord of the Rings) or not (the rabbits in Watership Down), surrender in the face of hardship or persistence in courage; staying faithful to one’s beloved or cheating. Not all fantasy is moral, of course, and SF tends to be a great deal more problematic; but the secret of their popularity is that they do maintain the core values, which is what enables the hero (or heroine!) to complete the Quest and give us a satisfying ending.

    What about your favorite fantasy and SF tales, both in childhood and as an adult? Did they involve quests?

    The quest-story is found in just about every culture that has recorded its tales; why do you think it is so popular?

    Talpianna

    24 Comments:

    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I think the popularity of science fiction has first and foremost to do with imagination. We humans have wondered since the beginning of time if we are "alone" in t his world or not. If we are not alone then who or what are the others. Can they come here or not, are they friends or enemies, will we ever be able to visit them. It is human nature to want to know what is on the "other side" of the hill, the moon, life and death, and certainly the space. Science fiction does not give us answers to these questions, but they do give us ideas, alternatives and possible "what ifs".
    Personally I don´t read much sciene fiction, though I´ve read a few. My main problem with the genre is the fact that either I find the world created insufficiently built or described, or else they are to much like certain societies here on earth. A society on another planet that has nothing to do with earth should and would have totally different culture, and this I find often lacking in those stories. The plot and carachter are sometimes just fine, the alien world and its society on the other hand to often is not. Too incomplete.
    Sirry.

    11:56 PM  
    Blogger Heather said...

    I'll admit I don't read science fiction or fantasy, I'm more of a sex and a good mystery kind of gal. But the answer to that question "why is the quest story so popular" is quite simple to me really. These stories reaffirm faith in people and the society in which those people live. There is something these stories all have in common and that is an evil being conquered; the slaying of the dragon, so to speak. The actions that are taken by the hero/heroine are done for the 'greater good', which is rare in the real world. Safety is provide for all the supporting characters and harmony is restored.
    I think people need to know that the idea of someone doing something simply because it is the right thing to do exists. It doesn't matter that the idea comes in the form of a story because at least they know the idea is still out there and that makes it one step closer to being reality.

    3:47 AM  
    Blogger angela said...

    I'm a huge scifi fan, as well as some fantasy. I think the largest draw for me is that it inspires & energizes my imagination and takes me out of reality... it's a wonderful escape.

    5:42 AM  
    Blogger DFender said...

    Great stuff, Tal...

    As an adult I don't much read SF, my imagination must have some sort of limit. I do read Fantasy... stuff like Laurell K. Hamilton, Sherrilyn Kenyon, Kim Harrison and even Clive Barker and Anne Rice (which may lean more toward Horror but I put more into the Fantasy realm) All of the Fantasy stuff I read has a quest involved. In fact, I don't much like books without a quest of some sort. If I can find any type of book with a Celtic bent that incorporates Fantasy it's even better such as Karen Marie Moning's series.

    When I was younger, say in my early teens, for reading I stuck with Harlequin Romances and Judy Blume. SF wasn't ignored though... I watched then (and sometimes still do) The Twilight Zone, Star Trek and Xena and other similar shows. I love Star Wars and I still try to catch a Star Trek TNG every now and then.

    Deb

    5:57 AM  
    Blogger KathyK said...

    I think that our fascination with the Quest is the hunger to be involved in something greater than ourselves that will change the world for the better. It is a vehicle for giving meaning to our lives outside the mundane chores of daily living.

    To me, what separates sci fi from fantasy is that sci fi is concerned with technology (as yet undiscovered) which affects the ways people live their lives. Fantasy creates an alternate world which may have different social mores and also use things like magic as part of the schema. Come to think of it, technology could look like magic to someone who doesn't understand the physics. But I'm always more interested in how people live and work out common social problems than the "whiz-bang". One of my favorite Sci-fi/fantasy series was by MK Wren. (The Phoenix Legacy)It was a trilogy (Sword of the Lamb, Shadow of the Swan, House of the Wolf) set in a post-apocalyptic world where some items of technology have survived but society has returned to a feudal structure. The books tell the story of how family and romantic love can change the world.

    6:54 AM  
    Blogger PJ said...

    Being a SF/F writer means I'm a little bit biased toward this post ^_^ but I think the comments others have made are valid. Some of my favorite shows/books involve the quest most certainly ... a good recent example is the new Battlestar Galactica (shown on the Sci-Fi channel). Theirs is a quest to find Earth. A promised land, if you will. And the rest of the drama involves staying alive, handling people's relationships, and tackling the challenges their new lifestyle presents. Good stuff.

    The two things that make the best SF/F are characters and core story. SF/F that is *only* about rockets and magic for rockets and magic's sake is poor. Some would say if the characters and stories could be anywhere - why there? Well, why do some people like chocolate ice cream? ^_^

    1:37 PM  
    Anonymous Ranurgis said...

    I also like to read both sci-fi and fantasy, though I tend to keep away from horror, vampire and the too-dark elements. At the moment I feel I have too much of the latter in my life and after all, most of us read to escape reality.

    I think we find it very difficult to visualize societies that are completely different from things that are known to us. Hence, the worlds that are created will always bear some resemblance to some part of our own. And I think that's part of the attraction for most of us in our escapism: that we can see elements that tell us that we can also complete our quests for whatever we want to find: love, hope, a better life, the villains, etc.

    I recently read a book by Jeff Vandermeer called "Veniss Underground". In fact I was one of the reader reviewers of this book. It was different from any book I had ever read. It's a fairly short book (275 p. by Bantam Spectra). In some ways it was difficult for me to read because of my aversion to dark elements. But in the end, it was, if not an enjoyable read, certainly a satisfying one. Beyond that, I won't comment on it but I definitely recommend it.

    I would theorize that even in sci-fi and fantasy, we want a point of reference, something we as humans can relate to.

    P.S. I tried to use the italics html tag around the title of the book I sort of plugged but the blog always came back as "tag is not closed" or "not allowed". How does one use the tags, e.g., on the title I wanted to italicize.

    1:53 PM  
    Blogger talpianna said...

    When you use the tags, you have to be sure to put /i or/b in brackets at the end of the passage.

    4:31 PM  
    Anonymous Shoshana said...

    I've always thought of it as wish fulfillment -the idea that you can actually FINISH a quest. That you can be done, and live, well, happily ever after!

    It's why I like stand-alone novels so much; the idea that once you've fulfilled your main life-quest you can relax and enjoy the rest of your years is incredibly seductive.

    I had a professor of medieval romance who said something interesting. That in the older romances, the prize at the end was finding your place in society -usually a higher place than you started from, of course. Now, he contends, the prize is just an orgasm. I'm not sure I agree entirely, but it made me laugh.

    9:34 PM  
    Blogger talpianna said...

    The Campbellian theory is that you in some way redeem or transform your society by completing the quest. The trouble is, the hero generally has to die.

    According to Northrop Frye's theory of genres, in both Romance and Comedy, the union of hero and heroine provides a nucleus of a new and transformed society to arise, whether it's just a family, or a whole world.

    For other views of patters, see Tolkien's famous essay "On Fairy-stories" and Timothy O'Neill's THE INDIVIDUATED HOBBIT (a Jungian approach to Tolkien).

    11:11 PM  
    Blogger talpianna said...

    Ooops! That should have been "patterNs"!

    11:12 PM  
    Anonymous Lynne said...

    Hi Tal,

    I used to read SF extensively, but focused on stories with both a Quest and a relationship - man and cat, man and woman, twins or triplets to each other, ...

    The Holy Grail type of stories never did much for me; a quest is a noble thing, but when it exists in a vacuum it's also rather pathetic. It takes over and becomes an obsession -- think Gollum and his Precious, Sir Gawain (do I have the right guy?) being lonely all his life to chase after the Grail ... to me it doesn't have much of a point.

    But if completing the quest can in some way better, or develop, the person as well as the society, that's when I really enjoy it.

    Lynne,
    currently recommending the work of Linnea Sinclair, who writes great quests combined with excellent romances

    3:17 PM  
    Blogger Cynthia E. Bagley said...

    Andre Norton was one of the quest stories that I was enamoured of during my teen years. It started with a person who was not insync with their society. They usually had something unusual about them. In her later writings, the young person was magical. Eventually, this person learned how to become a significant part of their society.

    I lived a very isolated life at the time. This story line was an escape for me. Andre Norton also taught me through her stories that I could eventually leave my stifling circustances and become a significant member of society.

    So I think quest stories can teach us to live.

    7:19 PM  
    Blogger talpianna said...

    Lynne, you are thinking of Sir Galahad. Gawain did not achieve the Grail--he was too worldly.

    In a way, one can describe most stories as quests in some way--even if it is for something as immaterial as self-knowledge or truth. Even my own favorite childhood book, THE WIND IN THE WILLOWS, starts with the shy, cloistered Mole emerging into the complex world of River Bank society and ends with him sophisticated and clever enough to pull off a clever bit of disinformation on the weasels and the stoats. I think that the story is an allegory, in a way, of a child emerging from the sheltered world of the Victorian/Edwardian nursery and learning about the wider world and how to cope with it. If you read his autobiographical fiction, THE GOLDEN AGE and DREAM DAYS, the resemblances to WitW are striking.

    I also love Andre Norton, though I did not discover her books until I was an adult. I think the books that made the most impression on me as an adult were the various Arthurian legends and LORD OF THE RINGS--all of which are full of quests.

    Another book I still value, though the author has been discredited as a psychoanalyst in many ways, is Bruno Bettelheim's book about fairy tales, THE USES OF ENCHANTMENT. I don't necessarily buy into his Freudianism, but his interpreting the stories as "true" about the landscape of the mind, if not to the world of quotidian reality, is to me very convincing.

    9:11 PM  
    Blogger MathCogIdiocy said...

    Tal -
    I can't comment on fantasy and SF because I seldom read any now and never read any as a child. I can say, though, that this was a really great post.
    - Jacqui

    3:36 PM  
    Anonymous Ranurgis said...

    Just as an aside to the origin of the word "romance", the word "le roman" in French simply means novel, of any kind. Unfortunately, I don't have my etymological French dictionary at hand to find out how this developed. I suppose I could look it up on the Internet, but it's difficult to get French-only sites. Anyway, I feel restless today and just not up to that challenge. What we usually use the word "Roman" for: a citizen of Rome or anything to do with that culture, is "romain" in French.

    You also have to think of the Romantic period in art and music which encompasses most of the 1800s. That did not necessarily mean "love" either. As Tal points out, "les romans" as stories began in medieval times when bards came to castles and towns to tell the stories of daring knights and other more fantastic stories. The only officially allowed writings at the time were done by monks who, of course, devoted themselves to copying the Bible though often with beautiful embellishments.

    5:39 PM  
    Anonymous Ranurgis said...

    Thanks, Tal, for telling me how to use the tags. I feel awfully dumb but I guess we can't know everything.

    5:44 PM  
    Blogger Jay said...

    I had never consciously leaned towards quest books, but thinking about it, I read them anyway. Through childhood and to this day, two of my most beloved books are all about a quest.

    In The Blue Sword, the heroine is kidnapped, chosen to save a people who aren't her own. She's not sure what 'one mad Outlander on a Hill horse' is going to achieve, but knows she must try.

    In Deerskin, Lissla escapes incest and rape to discover who she is, and eventually, own herself to prevent her past from repeating on another young girl. A quest of self.

    I think quest stories give us faith in heroes. Believing that selflessness and good really do exist, if only within the pages of a novel.

    5:47 PM  
    Blogger junebug indeed said...

    I have always been a big fan of fantasy, I've read some sci fi stuff but I'm more of a princess and dragons type girl. I used to love reading Patricia Wrede as a teen for exactly that reason. Not only did she have princesses and dragons along with a variety of other great characters, it was usually the princess who got to go out and do things. They were the ones to figure out that there was really no point in killing dragons since they weren't eating anyone. They just wanted someone to clean house and cook for them.

    9:43 PM  
    Blogger talpianna said...

    The linguistic procession is roman as the name of a language -->roman a medieval romance--> le roman the modern French name for a novel. It's a bit of a faux ami, actually, since romance as the name of a genre in English is something rather different from a novel--I don't mean a romance novel, but a type of fantasy.

    11:19 PM  
    Blogger nellsquirrel said...

    Very interesting post, Tal.

    I think that we are attracted to quests because the human spirit needs to move towards something. Staying still just doesn't cut it for us.

    6:53 AM  
    Blogger Jacki Bentley said...

    Yes, I think quest is natural for humans. Adventure, something to do, a goal to work for. That's why I carry a book with me everywhere, I guess, so I won't have down time with no quest.

    7:55 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Excellent post. Two of my favorite fantasy series growing up were the Belgariad and its continuation the Malloreon, each series encompassing five books, written by David and Leigh Eddings. They describe the journey one ordinary young man must take to become the deliverer of the world, and what happens after he has accomplished this.
    These series touched me because of the protagonist's bewilderment at being thrust on this path; I had just arrived in the US and barely spoke any English, but as the oldest daughter, my role was to help my parents figure out things like school papers and homework for my younger sister.
    The other series that I think is one of the best written is the Black Jewels Trilogy and its companion, the anthology Dreams Made Flesh. The characters are fleshed out, and the conflict is so inmediate, the fate of an entire society, that the books are irresistible. A caveat, the books deal with matters not for the faint of heart, such as murder and child abuse, but they are not gratuitous, rather they add to the story and to the charachters' development.

    Ladies, I love your books, thank you for writing them.

    MeiMei

    PS. Excuse the run-ons, it's been a long day, and I still have one more class.

    MM

    3:40 PM  
    Blogger Stella said...

    Thanks for the great post--and the comments that have made me think:)

    Stella

    9:34 PM  

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