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Wednesday, May 17, 2006

STELLA ASKS: WHAT DO WE REALLY WANT?


When it comes to men in our books, what do we really want?

Illusion? Reality? All illusion? All Reality? A mixture? I thought I had this down cold until I listened to some writers discussing how we write about men. They were deeply interested in how men actually think and how we change them in stories. Their contention in the end was that men don't think like women (big surprise)and that no men like conversation. Men are always puzzled by a woman's desire to discuss feelings--they don't "do" feelings. They talk to get what they want. They say charming things to get what they want--and for absolutely no other reason. Men never want any conversation during sex. I assume that includes, "Honey, you've got your fingernails in my eyes."

"We want strong men. We want gentle men. We want men who are sympathetic, malleable, intelligent, tender, sexy, take charge, take over, take care of us, stay out of our faces, do what we want you to do all the time, make us feel protected, be good providers, don't think we need you to support us, don't open the door for us, open the door for us, be great fathers, don't interfere with the way we bring up the children . . ." I'm exhausted:)

Winding this up with a smart one or two liner would be easy, but it would be a copout.

Do we want different traits in our book men than we find acceptable in our life partners? Or do we want to read scripts for some of the home movies we could take--the good, the bad and the ugly?

I'll take the plunge and admit what I think. Then it will be your turn.

We probably want bits and pieces of all the possibilities I've mentioned and a bunch more I left out. We don't want our beloved stories to make fools of us by trying to sell us men who are too inconsistent to live, or too anything to live.

But (and now I'll switch to "I") I want to read about strong, honorable men who leave a presence behind when they walk from a room. I like an interesting, often somewhat unpredictable male who keeps me guessing, but who tries to do the right thing. Mavericks may apply in my books, mavericks with laughing eyes that can turn to ice when evil wiggles its fingers. Give me the man who stops conversation when he comes on scene. Oh, and he can be making a humorous idiot of himself because he feels so strongly about something. He just can't make a blithering idiot of himself. And when the chips are finally, irrevocably down--lives are on the line, and the future of an important relationship--he can become part Superman if that's what it takes.

whoa, all this at 3:30a.m. with only a quarter of a cup of coffee circulating my veins. The rest of the cup is cold--blech!

I will always write strong men, tough but capable of sensitivity men. Particularly in any form of Suspense/thriller, romantic or otherwise, jelly-kneed protagonists of either sex don't cut it. These people have to be larger than life types I'd love to spend a weekend with in a remote lodge . . . perhaps lots of weekends. I would never be bored. I want a man to admire, but I want to feel I could be his equal, or almost:)

My husband is my realtime hero, but I wouldn't want him anywhere near the hairy monsters my book men encounter.

In BODY OF EVIDENCE, heroine Emma LaChance is determined to be self-sufficient and fearless. In the following, one of my favorite little sections, there is an exchange between Emma, and Finn Duhon, our hero, as Finn sets out to make sure no villain is hiding in her house:

The way Finn pushed doors open before entering each room gave Emma the feeling she was in an urban battle zone. She kept close behind him on the first floor, then followed him upstairs.

He stopped suddenly, holding up a hand, and she bumped into him.

Finn turned around to whisper in her ear, "You don't have to back me up. I can manage."

Her teeth chattered but she whispered back, "I'm a coward. I don't want to stay downstairs by myself."

"And you were coming to this house on your own?" Finn said. "In the middle of the night?"

"Yes. This is my home. I'd have been all right, but you've made me jumpy."

Finn said, "That makes perfect perfect sense. Why didn't I figure that out right off? I'm going to take out my gun just in case we did hear something."

Emma grabbed the back of his belt. "What? What did we hear?"


Your turn at last. Do you, like me, look for the slightly larger-than-life, completely spellbinding hero who breaks the ordinary mould. Or do you spend time questioning a male character if he isn't a potentially true representation of the good--or occasionally not-so-good--masculine examples from real life?

Take off the gloves and give it to us straight! We can take it.

And soon I intend to take a look at the women in our stories.

Back to my new hero, I go. Have a great day.

Stella

35 Comments:

Blogger Cbell said...

I love the male characters that the ladies on this blog create. I have to pinch myself back into reality and tell myself they most likely don't exist... but that's why I read fiction anyway. I LOVE a strong, sexy and more than capable man (in all areas).

What's more... I MUST be able to know what he is thinking. That is essential. Why? Because in reality do women ever truly know what goes on in the minds of men? Not any more than they can figure out how our brains work!

I enjoy reading about a man who can make time stop for a woman when he enters or exits a room... and what I love the best is when it is not necessarily his physical attractiveness that makes time stop, but it is more his "presence" or his charisma. What is it about that man that makes the earth stop revolving for just a nanosecond? I don't know, but that is what I want the author to reveal.

5:55 AM  
Blogger Lynn said...

It's early yet and I haven't had but my OJ, but here goes. Like many women, I like the strong, silent, funny, protective, arrogant, handy, honest, trustworthy, slightly insane and a bit like my father type of guy. You know, the kind that mysteriously "gets me" and yet doesn't run screaming from the room.

Then you have to look at the fine nuances between assertive and bossy, strong and overbearing, and funny and just whacked. No wonder men complain about women looking for the ideal man, sometimes he must appear to have many personalities!

Part of the reason I enjoy many different authors is because you craft different male characters. Each of them have some of the traits I find engaging in a man.

Of course, that's also why it's called fiction, eh?

5:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree completely with your idea Stella as well as with the two first ladies here abowe. However, there is one qualification none of you mentioned that is absolutely essential: He must love books and taking about books. Otherwise any relationship on my part wood be doomed.
Sirry

7:19 AM  
Blogger Nicole Reising said...

Awesome! This is just a great sum up of how I love to write, read and in general view the whole subject!

Cole

7:30 AM  
Blogger beadlizard said...

A sense of humor, please? A bit of vulnerability helps, good friendships with his siblings or buddies at work, awareness of how the people around him feel, an intense passion for life, a playful side. --Sylvia

7:48 AM  
Blogger Kelley said...

I like the strong, protector type. He also must have a bit of vulnerability and be compasionate when it comes to the heroine.
Its funny because the heros I love in books are totally different from my husband who I love dearly! He is the laid back, whatever goes type. So, I think personally I like something different in my books then I have in real life.

8:07 AM  
Blogger Cbell said...

I agree with Beadlizard and did not mention myself that his interaction with those closest to him is important. My mother always told me to watch how a man treats his mother for great insight to his true character. I think that is true with not just his mother, because a love interest doesn't necessarily want the man of her dreams to think of his mother while he takes her in his arms... (Eww...) but how he interacts with those who hold him near and dear is key.

Take Luke in Jayne's "All Night Long" His family is enough to drive him over the edge they have determined him to be on the brink of... but he takes it in stride because of the knowledge of their bonds and love for him.

8:08 AM  
Blogger TashaDMS said...

I love to read about all types of characters. Though the overly-assertive male is my least favorite. Honestly, I like to see a man who is laid back, secure in who he is, and unafraid of his emotions. I hate to see the men that are so afraid of commitment that they come close to sabotaging the best thing to ever come their way. I just love a character that knows what he wants and isn't afraid of failing in his pursuit to get it. And any male character that can make me laugh is priceless.

9:20 AM  
Blogger Stella said...

Great comments! I'm taking notes:)

Stella

9:34 AM  
Blogger K.L. said...

I do like variety in the male leads, as long as they have the important characteristics of honor and integrity. What does turn me off is a male lead written to think like a female wants him to think. Does that make sense? If I am reading and I just have to stop and say "he would never talk/think/act like that" I really get turned off the book.

10:38 AM  
Blogger TashaDMS said...

By the way, are those your dogs? I had Wolf Hounds when I lived in Europe that looked exactly like them. A male, cute but incredibly dumb, and a female, way too smart and on the evil side. :)

11:06 AM  
Blogger talpianna said...

I agree with everybody so far. Two points to add: Once again I recommend YOU JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND: MEN AND WOMEN IN CONVERSATION by Deborah Tannen for gender-based communication styles.

And I think what I would want from a man is well summed up in the traditional Anglican wedding vows: "love, honor, and cherish."

(Incidentally, I notice some of you have mentioned your fathers as male role models. My father's main goal in life seemed to be to make me feel inadequate, worthless, and a failure in life, which may be why I don't get on well, as a rule, with the opposite sex.)

vgtgl -- Very good, Tal--good logic!

3:06 PM  
Blogger Patty said...

I think that every woman wants all the traits that her significant other has, but none of their bad traits. My husband is wonderful, however, when I read a romance novel I want the hero of the story to remind me of him only with all of his positive traits and none of his not so positive traits plus more.

5:55 PM  
Blogger Jay said...

Like KL, I get turned off if the male loses the "maleness" of his character and starts acting/talking how a woman would want him to. It doesn't work.

I'd never really thought about it much, but pretty much what appeals to me in a character also appeals to me in reality. I don't, however, have a direct line to his thinking that I have in a book, which makes life somewhat harder.

I like a good man. Honest, strong, loves kids and animals, fun, loyal, intelligent - all the good stuff. The kind of person who makes me smile thinking about him.

5:56 PM  
Blogger cate said...

I like to read about powerful men, quiet, self-assured, I-don't-have-to-proof-anything-men. I love when you write about a devoted, one-woman man. It makes me wonder, could I be that woman? Difficult men intrique me-a guy who makes other men take a step back. What kind of woman could hold this man? Uncomplicated guys or totally understanding guys give me a rash. I usually throw that book! Could go on and on...

6:59 PM  
Blogger Stella said...

The responses are so much fun to read. The one thing that hasn't been said by any one of us is, "Why can't a man be more like a woman!"

Why, Tal--could we have had the same father figure?

Cheers, Stella

7:23 PM  
Anonymous Ranurgis said...

Well, although my father wasn't a bad father at all, I probably would need a different kind of man than he was. My mother said to me that he was a better husband than father, e.g., when I was still at home as the eldest of 4 with my next sibling close to six years younger than I, the rule was definitely "Children should be seen but not heard." I missed out on arguing, teasing and things like that.

However, I did love his compassion, honor, ethics, belief-system and in many ways, so my mother always said, I was more like him than her which kind of messed up our (my mother's and mine) relationship at times.

He was also the one who enjoyed reading and I followed him in that.

Otherwise, I agree with those who have "spoken" here. I like a strong man, who can show vulnerability to the heroine, be compassionate, welcoming to anyone, and have a sense of humour. It took a long time for my father to rediscover his sense of mischief after his almost 8 years as a soldier in WW II.

He also knew where his duty lay, though for most of you, it was on the wrong side. He fought for his country-men, not for the "criminals" who were the leaders.

One thing I wish most men showed a little more in books is self-control. Isn't anticipation part of the joy of sex? Why do the partners "make love" so early in some books? That, for me, is also part of honor. Instant gratification in everything is part of the norm, the "must" in today's world. I believe that the Quills are generally different, though, as I've mentioned I haven't read books by all of you.

Just as I wouldn't like to read about a heroine with my character, I don't know of any real man who has all or even most of the qualities that I like to see in my fiction. Bring on the strong, compassionate, protective, helpful, self-controlled, humorous, sometimes laid-back guy who loves the heroine more than he loves himself.

blbpccpe - Black looks, blue pouts can completely precipitate enmity.

7:30 PM  
Anonymous Ranurgis said...

I looked back at Tal's comment after reviewing Stella's just above mine and I must say that often I find it easier to talk to men than to most women. I don't know why. Perhaps range of subjects I can talk to them about?

7:36 PM  
Blogger talpianna said...

Stella said...

The responses are so much fun to read. The one thing that hasn't been said by any one of us is, "Why can't a man be more like a woman!"


MY FAIR LADY song cue!

Why, Tal--could we have had the same father figure?


Funny, Stella--you don't look Jewish!

I used to read a lot of older novels: LORNA DOONE, for one, and also the likes of Jeffery Farnol (whom I still like). One thing that sometimes bugs me about romantic stories of this vintage is sometimes the the hero is big and strong but a lot dumber than the heroine (the archetype being Gurt Jan Ridd in LORNA DOONE). She tends to outwit him a lot. I'm not entirely sure what the point of such an image is; in Clarence Budington Kelland, for example, the heroes are by no means stupid in other contexts. But I wouldn't want a man I could lead around by the nose.


msoktzmu -- (I could tell you what this means, but then I'd have to kill you...)

8:26 PM  
Blogger Jay said...

I missed the part about looking for your father type - I couldn't do that. My dad is a wonderful man - kind, loving, fun, protective. He's always supported us 100% in anything we wanted to do, and firmly believes in letting us make our own mistakes. He's good at picking us up after said mistakes too. :)

BUT - I'm not my mother. I have enough of him and enough of her in my personality that I couldn't handle a partner like either of them.

In the physical way however, it's quite true. Having been surrounded by tall, strong men all my life, I find myself predisposed to that type. Short or skinny/non-muscular men don't even blip on my radar.

qpfdhisr - quite perfect females do heavily inspire such rabble

8:46 PM  
Blogger Lynn said...

Hmmmmm. I did say I'd like someone "in type" similar to my dad, mostly because he is kind, a good provider, supportive, loving, and can fix anything. But you know how we are always told we will grow up to be our mothers? Not me. I'm more my dad than my mom in many scary ways. A bit of a conundrum.

I definitely don't want a guy to be more like a woman. We can be very difficult. Dealing with me on a daily basis ..... well, let's not go there.

Isn't the My Fair Lady song, A Hymn to Him, Why can't a woman be more like a man?

5:53 AM  
Blogger Suzanne Simmons said...

Isn't the My Fair Lady song, A Hymn to Him, Why can't a woman be more like a man?

LOLOLOL one of the great tongue-in-cheek songs! As was Stella's tongue-in-cheek twist on that song. I once wrote a rather funny and bad poem about my husband that ended with the line: "You would be perfect if only you were a woman and loved opera." :-)

Thanks everyone for a few good laughs on another rainy day here in the Midwest.

9:47 AM  
Blogger nellsquirrel said...

Coming late to the talk.

So many have already said it but I do have to say that as much as I like reading about a man who "stops someone with a stare", I like living with a more easy going guy. "Dangerous" can be interesting but not always easy to live with in real life.

My DH has a temper and can be protective but, for the most part, his sense of humor is in the foreground. That is one thing I'm drawn to in both fiction AND non-fiction, men who can laugh at themeselves and the world.

As for being like Dad. LOL! In more ways than I originally thought - especially when he's yelling at the TV set during a Red Sox game. :-)

1:12 PM  
Anonymous Lou said...

I like Elizabeth Lowell's male characters. Very strong, very sure of themselves, able to leap tall buildings (whoops, I digress), very secure about themselves and do not get their feelings hurt easily. I have had enough of the real life walking wounded who seem to be unable to move forward after a set-back (or lost love). I also like a man who is very smart and able to take care of a variety of situations (I guess this means someone I would feel safe with no matter what was happening around us - I would, of course, be willing to back him up, I can get very mean if threatened.). And last but not least, someone who can make me laugh!!!

Gee Tal, my mother must have channeled your father (my father left when I was little).

2:09 PM  
Blogger DebVA said...

I've loved all the comments! I have to add that I don't have much use for a man that I (or the heroine)can walk all over. It's no fun having to make all the decisions...and it makes for an uneven relationship, be it fiction or reality. Ever dated a guy who answer to every questions was, "whatever you want is fine?" ARGH! Please, God, give these men a spine!
Deb

6:11 PM  
Anonymous Lou said...

P.S. Stella - I LOVE Millie, she's adorable!!

12:03 PM  
Blogger Stella said...

Lou: Millie would love you, too. Just adore her and she's yours. The photo is making her mad because it's some months old and doesn't showcase her spectacular tail, long waving fur and all, or the befurred ears. I've fobbed her off with a promise to put up a new one later:)

8:19 PM  
Anonymous Ranurgis said...

Lynn, I've been told that about my father and me.LOL. My mother expected our relationship to be like hers and her mother's. But I got along really well with my mother until I was in my late 20s. That's the time her mother died. Who knows what the relationship would have turned out to be if my Oma had been around longer.

I think most of you have pretty well nailed the kind of man I'd like. One thing that a lot of characters in fiction don't have (or not anymore) is self-control. They want instant gratification and equate sex with love. I don't think that would work for me. It's love first and then sex. And I don't think that's being a wimp on a man's part. I see it as respect and strength, strength to contol those urges. But I guess I'm living in a fairy tale world.

We have instant gratification for hunger, thurst, movies, books so why not for sex. Yet controlling yourself means respect for others--at least for me. I'm like my father in that he was the reader of my parents--as piles of his books that I have can attest. And my reading reaches over the same breadth his did. I have a few more sciences while he read more military books like WW II in which he served. It took him a long time to redevelop his sense of humor and mischief after that. He also lost 2 brothers. My mother thinks he was a better husband than father. He couldn't connect to us after we were babies, especially not in the teen years. Not until my father and I discovered Canadian football did we have a common subject other than Math. My mother was creative; my father and I aren't. We're nuts and bolts people: he with architecture, getting all the right things into the buildings, I with languages, getting the right grammar, words and syntax. On the whole, I find guys easier to talk to that women--of course there are exceptions.

Hope this blog thing works today. Tried twice yesterday without success. Same on another site. Argh.

9:50 PM  
Anonymous Ranurgis said...

Wow, I did it. It worked. And of course, there's no such word as thurst; it should be "thirst".

aatxt - An attest to xylophone trios.

9:53 PM  
Blogger Stella said...

Just finished watching recorded episodes of Gray's Anatomy--the last three hours. Came away mad and sad, mostly at the weakness portrayed in some characters. Plays into your comments a bit, ranurgis. I'm disappointed, especially since I came to the conclusion that we were probably supposed to be happy to witness dual betrayal by people who, in an ideal world, might have learned a lesson or two by now.

Stella--off to bed and a sniffle or two.

I might even have tolerated the pathetic humans, but did they have to put Doc the dog to sleep--on screen? How did that advance the plot.

Harumph again.

12:54 AM  
Blogger cate said...

Oh Stella,

Wasn't that a show?! There aren't just two involved now, there's four. Yikes. I guess we wait to find out where Meredith's panties are! Very sad about Doc. Another thing that bonds those two together.

Have you heard the soundtrack cd for season one? Very very good!

12:13 PM  
Blogger Stella said...

Hi Cate: I'm so glad you wrote:)!! I need to share the misery over this.

First, is the soundtrack called simply, Gray's Anatomy? The music is all evocative and I'd like to have the CD.

What's bothering me is that I thought both Meredith and Derek were portrayed as having some truly admirable qualities, other than a tendency to lie and cheat on his part, and a need to have sex indiscrimately on hers. Today I can't see much of value in either of them, other than his skill and her potential skill.

This is interesting because I can usually walk away, even from drama that makes me uncomfortable, and put the whole thing aside. Not this time. I hated it that the vet spilled his guts and Meredith just walked off to lose her panties!

Stella

1:25 PM  
Blogger cate said...

The cd is entitled, Grey's Anatomy, the original soundtrack. Mostly upbeat. My husband even likes it and that's saying something.

Once Derek took back his wife, that was it for me. Now it's shame on the both of them. How long do you think Callie's going to keep that secret?

Don't forget the fall time change: Thursdays @ 9PM est. They go up against CSI. hmmm...

9:29 AM  
Blogger Sarah said...

In books I like the guy to be strong (not like a wrestler or anything!), have a sense of humor. To put it all in a nushell - I like "good ole' boys". (Great, now the Dukes of Hazzard theme song is in my head!) I also tend to like the quiet type over the "bad boys". For example, I like Amanda Quick's Tobias March and Nora Robert's Ethan Quinn.

cate - I wonder how Grey's will do against CSI? (CSI is my favorite show on tv).

11:52 AM  
Anonymous Marilyn said...

Everything you've described fits what I believe after 38 years of marraige, yes 38. However, he's passed, gone but his spirit lives on in my heart, the good and the bad. Why, what you described fits what he was....honorable, witty, the life of the party, kind, handsome and sexy....charming, just plain wonderful but yet vulnerable. I married a bad boy and an honorable man and consider myself lucy for having him in my life. Hopefully you can all say the same of you man.

9:26 PM  

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