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  • Sunday, June 18, 2006

    Aloha from Jayne




    So I'm here in Hawaii again (pretty much our most favorite spot on earth) and until a few minutes ago when I came back into the hotel room to write this blog I was sitting out on the lanai reading a good book (Barry Eisler's The Last Assassin. Great story, but that's another story). Anyhow, it occurred to me as I was lounging out there, reading, that, when considered as a bit of technology, the book is just about perfect. It is thousands of years old and very little has been needed in the way of upgrades.

    Oh, sure, there has been some experimentation with materials: clay and wax tablets, papyrus, parchment, etc. But somewhere on a wall in Pompeii there's a picture of a woman holding a book called a codex. The codex in her hand is about the same size and shape as the copy of Eisler's book waiting for me out on the lanai. I wonder if it has any love scenes in it? Eisler does a lot of love scenes, which is really interesting given that his hero is a contract killer who gets rid of people in some pretty gruesome ways...But I digress.

    There's been a lot of talk about what will replace the book as we know it. Sure, we've got e-books now and everyone is predicting that, in one form or another, they represent the beginning of the end of the book. But I've gotta tell you, I can see the hotel pool from my lanai and no one down there is reading an e-book. They're reading regular books.

    As a former (never ex) librarian, I take the long historical view of technological change when it comes to books. See, back when I was a little whippersnapper in library school there was a lot of talk about what would replace the book. Some folks believed that books would be converted into handy-dandy sheets of plastic called microfiche that you could take with you everywhere and that hardly weighed anything. All you needed was a handy-dandy microfiche reader in order to read the fiche. Never did see anyone reaching microfiche at poolside.

    Sure microfiche and, now, modern computers make great places to store books and the information they contain. But what's the first thing most people want to do when they discover that they're going to have to read more than twenty pages on a screen? They crank up the printer and start printing out the material. In other words, they make a book out of it - their own little codex.

    I guess it is a form-follows-function thing. Books are convenient. It does not require a second kind of technology in order to access one. You just open up the sucker and start reading. You could probably read that codex that the girl on the wall in Pompeii has in her hand, provided you knew Latin. If you don't know Latin you could learn it --from another book.

    Books are also comfortable for the human eye (except in the case of paperbacks that are printed in itty-bitty fonts -- blame that on the publisher). And there is something about the eye-hand coordination thing one engages in when reading a book that makes it comfortable for the human brain to absorb the information in the text. Say, if I wanted to go back and re-read one of the love scenes in Eisler's novel, all I have to do is flip back a few pages. I know how to flip pages. It's an eye-hand coordination thing. Sort of like walking and chewing gum at the same time. No special technology required.

    And books are attractive. They are pleasing to the human senses on many subtle levels. I love the feel of a new book. I like the fresh crisp pages. When it comes to very old books, I love the fine leatherwork on the covers and I am fascinated with the old paper inside. The cover art on a modern book has a huge impact on me, sometimes negative as in the case of hunk covers, but more often positive. I like the weight of a hardcover in my hand. I like the convenience of a paperback. I like all the information about the book that is printed on the outside -- the title, the name of the author, etc. In short, the format of a book has an appeal that adds greatly to the reading experience.

    I'm guessing that, although there will be lots of new technologies coming down the pike designed to store the information contained in books (new kinds of libraries, as it were), it will be a while yet before we actually replace books themselves.

    My question to you before I head back out to the lanai is, what do you think the book of the future will look like?

    50 Comments:

    Anonymous Tammy said...

    I'm not sure what the book of the future looks like, but I HOPE it looks very similiar to the one in my hand.

    If they could come up with a different material other than wood pulp to make the paper, that'd be great.

    I like the way books are today.

    4:06 PM  
    Blogger talpianna said...

    I remember some SF author speculating on the future of publishing (I think, vaguely, it was Ben Bova): the conclusion was that in the future you'd order a book online and either print it out at home, or go to a bookstore where they would print and bind it for you on demand. No more publishers! Sounds awkward, although I believe that's what they do with the OED--keep it unbound until someone actually buys the whole 20 volumes. Although nowadays I'll bet most people buy either the CD-ROM version or the Compact (the one with the teeny-tiny print and the big magnifying glass), unless they are libraries.

    When I was in grad school, we used these wonderful Oxford U.P. editions of Renaissance authors like Sidney and Spenser--on hand-laid paper with chain lines, and reproduction of the original text with the v's for u's and the long s's. I have a few more modern books like that--limited editions. I think there will always be a market for "real" books--even in the far future, if you believe in the Liaden Universe!

    Personal note, Jayne: I am considering doing a series on my blog based on your comments in your writerspace chat about how and why you don't care for magic and fantasy. May I quote you?

    nhohemdz -- Obviously I need to sacrifice many more cats to Blogger immediately!

    5:36 PM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    I agree, Tammy. And I think that's why it is going to be tough to get people to change to another format. Most of us LIKE books just the way they are. And they work so very well in this format.

    Tal: Sure, feel free to quote from my chat. Can't remember what I said. Hope it sounded halfway intelligent.

    I should probably mention that since then I have discovered Jim Butcher's wonderful, noir fantasy world set in Chicago (Dead Beat, Proven Guilty, etc.) and am enjoying the magic and fantasy in it quite a lot. Maybe it just depends on the storyteller.

    6:21 PM  
    Blogger elizabeth said...

    I think it will be a long time before we come up with anything as "handy" as a book!

    Maybe some eyeglass that store/"play" your library and reads your mind!

    7:18 PM  
    Anonymous Tammy said...

    Jayne,

    In case you didn't know - Jim Butcher's Dresden Files is coming to the Sci-Fi Channel this summer/fall.

    I've read all of his books as well, and thoroughly enjoy them. He's one of only 4 or so sci-fi authors I buy and only 1 of 3 I buy in hardcover without thinking (the other two are - Laurell K Hamilton, and Anne McCaffrey).

    7:59 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I can't (or perhaps, don't want to) believe that the book as we know it, would become obsolete.
    It's not only the history of the book itself (precious copies of early books are, after all, in museum, university and library collections all over the work) but the symbolic significance as well (book burnings done by the Nazis and in the present, worrying trends in this country).
    There is a great revival of the book as an art form. There are many places that offer bookmaking classes - from the simple to the complex.
    I suppose some people will point to the evolution of the record but I've never gotten emotional about any of mine although it's nice to have some.
    I can just see it now in one of your futuristic novels. Your heroine/hero would posses a vast, secret collection of books. Somehow they would be in danger even though no one else even knows what a book looks like!
    No thank you, I'll keep all my books!

    9:34 PM  
    Blogger Karibear said...

    I love books, I can't remember being so young I didn't know how to read. There's nothing like the smell of a book, particularly an oldie found stashed away in an attic somewhere, like the original ERBs or Will James or Seton's Two Little Savages. Now, however, I can't - no matter how much I enjoy flipping pages or re-reading birs. I've learned to do with audio tapes, though I do admit to suffering thru a printed book at great intervals [even using a magnifying glass I end up with severe headackes, but once in awhile it's worth the satisfaction]. I tried to get an ebook, but apparently my connection is way too slow and the provider wouldn't even let me try. Probably fortunate - my frustration level is a lot lower than it used to be.

    James Schmitz came up with a neat solution in his Kelsey stories - a computer thingie like a wrist watch that logged into a supercomputer and provided whatever reading material the wearer wanted - reference, entertainment, textbooks... Of course, one still had to be able to see that ittybitty screen. The next best is the Teacher that Ann McCaffrey created for the Pegasus stories.

    As for me, I'm still waiting to see what the future holds.

    9:44 PM  
    Blogger Mary said...

    I always love the debate on the future form of "books". I just gathered my Dad's collection of Catholic catechism books from 1863-1934 into my office and have reverently turned a few pages. Though I raised my girls in the same religion, their books and training don't resemble anything I remember from my childhood or match anything I find in these century old books. Sure, the main characters are the same, the settings, locations and incidents, stories and themes are easy to find repeated. They just don't "sound" the same.

    The pages of these old books are almost transparent, the fonts unfriendly and the scroll work edging the pages as beautiful as the pictures. So I personally don't think the actual, physical book, as we know it will ever go out of style even if reading can be done in a variety of different ways. I find the reader/author connection being the more spiritual need being fulfilled. But that's just me.

    My Mom always had a book she was reading and gave me a different perspective on the reader connection. First, she couldn't read fiction because she got too involved and couldn't maintain an objective perspective that it was a story. Second, she couldn't turn pages without the use of a mouthstick since her hands didn't work.

    So my dear Jayne, don't stress the future of the physical book. Because when it all boils away, it's the writer writing and the reader reading. In 150 years or so, maybe a reader will pick up one of our books and be fascinated at the actual images created in their minds. But then, it reality, the only ones picking up those old type books will be other writers, so the cycle will continue. Images reborn in their style and more stories repeated for the new arena of readers, whatever venue that may take.

    I've researched these electronic readers because holding a book can sometimes be hard for my hands, but still love that esoteric connection my brain needs from reading. If the day comes when my favorite authors could be read on my wall where the pages were turned with no more than my eye movement, well, I might invest in that technology. Until then, please just keep writing your books. I love reading them and am passing that on to another generation, or two.
    Cheers!
    Mary

    12:15 AM  
    Blogger justine said...

    They might improve paper a little (some of my favorites are getting yellow), but I hope they never change books. When Hurriciane Charlie hit, we had no electric for 3 weeks, but I could still read (if I had the energy after sweating all day and night).
    PS- Jayne, Ghost Hunter was terrific, thanks for a great story to take on a 6 hour plane ride. Please don't take this wrong, but the cover is awful!!! I don't want to read books with covers like that, I feel like I'm reading Tiger Beat magazine-very tacky.

    3:50 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    You only need to go pass any book store or books section of any department stores to see how many books there are. Hopefully more trees are been planted or we might HAVE to read e-books.
    Unless one of our viewers can do somthing about logging I'm afraid even toilet paper maybe extinct one day

    4:52 AM  
    Anonymous AgTigress said...

    Jayne, what a vast range of thoughts and ideas you inspire with that blog! I'll mention just one thing that is important to me about books.

    Well, maybe two: the content and the physical embodiment. The content is obvious. That is what we read books for. Language and writing, the greatest inventions of the human species, enable us to share the thoughts of other humans, including people we do not know, and people who died long before we were born, who lived in a world very different from our own. The content of books, expressed in language, can, indeed, be conveyed effectively by more than one means, for example through an audio recording, or an electronic file that we read on a screen (and later, as you point out, Jayne, print out so that we can read it more comfortably on paper!).

    However, a book is also a manufactured, physical object, an artefact, and artefacts have a special, mystic power of their own to provide connections between people, including connections that transcend time. They absorb the emotions and thoughts of those who use, handle and value them, and carry a cumulative charge of human perception and reception that is sensed by anyone who opens her mind to it. We are all familiar with this in the case of personal possessions like jewellery: the value of a jewel often resides far more in its emotional associations, in what it 'means' to the owner, than in its monetary value or artistic design. 'Sentimental value' sounds such a dismissive phrase, but it is something very real, admirable and, well, human. I am lucky enough to own, not only masses of oldish (19th C.) books, but quite a few 18thC ones and one printed in the 17th century, in 1634. The extra layers of association that this kind of age lends to the base-line of written content has to be experienced to be understood. When I use any of these older books, I feel myself in contact, not only with the mind of the author who wrote the words, but with the minds and feelings of all those previous owners, unknown to me, who made the same connections and responded to those same words in their own way. It is not simply a matter of aesthetics (beautiful hand-made paper, early printing, leather bindings), but a powerful sensation of continuity and connection.

    When speaking of modern novels printed in large numbers, this kind of thing may seem remote - but it isn't. How many of you out there would say that there is no difference at all between owning and reading an ordinary copy of one of your favourite author's books, and having a copy that has been personally inscribed to you and signed by the author? I rest my case.

    5:01 AM  
    Blogger Lynn said...

    Microfiche readers by the pool! Now there's an image LOL.

    Print isn't going away. Students in the library today are using computers, etc. to access full text from the internet and databases in addition to the reference titles on the shelf. But few of them take notes on the readings (either on paper or their pda's), they find it and click PRINT on the computer to happily go along their way.

    Electronic textbooks, though cheaper to encourage use, are a hard sell even in this age of technology. Why? Students are citing reasons of not being able to highlight and take notes, and oddly enough, sell the book back at the end of the term. Recently I've been reading about school districts deciding to use wiki's as classroom textbooks to save money. Bet ya they'll print out the results.

    As to books of the future? I agree with whoever said we need better paper and binding to help preserve what we have now. I see myself many years from now happy with my books in hand.

    5:45 AM  
    Anonymous AgTigress said...

    Anon said - ...I'm afraid even toilet paper maybe extinct one day...

    * * *

    We could always switch to the washing methods of the Islamic world, or even revert to another Roman invention - the personal, portable, re-usable and washable sponge-on-a-stick. As long as we haven't run out of water, too. Oh, but if we have run out of water, we'll be dead anyway. No further need of loo paper.

    6:13 AM  
    Blogger DFender said...

    I dunno what the future is either *shrug*

    I do know that I'd dearly miss the feel of a good book in my hands. The comfort of holding the book and turning the pages is something that I would never want to miss.

    Besides, it's easier going back to re-read parts that you may have either misunderstood or just plain missed the first time through.

    There's also the fact that the books that I've re-read so many times have the comfortable feel of a well (and gently) used piece of my past.

    Deb

    PS. Hope you're having a blast, Jayne! Thanks for blogging from afar!

    dlrka: Does love really kick ass?
    (You betcha).

    6:25 AM  
    Blogger Suzanne Simmons said...

    Love the blog, Jayne!

    I have no idea what the future of books will be, but I do know that my son (part of the computer games generation) is an avid reader and always carries a book with him.

    Aloha to you and Frank!

    6:58 AM  
    Blogger nellsquirrel said...

    Okay - turning off my "green with jealousy, I wanna go home..."

    I agree with our tiny tigress. Books mean so much more than information. I have one of my grandpa's books (in Portuguese, that I can't read) that I hold on occasion just to "feel him", if that makes sense.

    My son - Mr. Geek himself at 13 - would just about croak if you took away his "real" books. No matter how tech savy he becomes, that won't change.

    Curling up with a computer just doesn't cut it for most people.

    Going back to being green...

    7:32 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    *the extinction of paper problem*

    There is always recycling even if it is very expensive, I'm sure someone one day will find an alternative material to replace paper as we know it.

    8:23 AM  
    Anonymous CCHirsch said...

    Jayne
    Happy vacation! What a wonderful blog. And how nice to see my own thoughts presented so wonderfully and shared by other book lovers: there IS no substitute for the power of a book. I'll go y'all one better and confess a neurosis: when I find a book I love, like my Jaynes or Amanda Quicks, I always buy two [well, if they're paperback]. I know, that's wasteful and hurts trees and all, but I really don't like not having "my" copy of a book so that I can enjoy the marvellous richness of opening the pages and falling into another world -- whenever I want. I love lending books, and do so frequently, but NOT unless I have a second, "loaner" copy of the "MY" book [yes, I am aware that I sound a bit like a 2 year old. Sigh. I'll work on that].

    Cheers to all!

    Chris

    8:23 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I can read longer from a book than I can on the computer. My eyes get tired faster on the computer! I don't know if it's just the way the screen is lit up or the different colors and fonts used.

    My oldest son reads a lot of books. I think he reads non-fiction more than fiction. My youngest only seems to read the Harry Potter books. When I commented to him about not reading, he just gives me one of those looks and says "Mom, I'm always reading on the computer!" He prefers the computer screen to the printed book.

    I prefer a book I can hold in my hands. But, I can tell just by my youngest sons attitude, that the computer or electronic reader will replace the book and I betting I will see that day before I die and I'm 51!

    My son's laptop is the size of a hardback novel and has a wireless connection. Very portable. Not as comfortable as a paperback, but the kids today enjoy cuddling up to a computer more than to a book.

    8:42 AM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    AgTigress: Great comments on the power of the book! Loved the part about the human connection a book can provide to those who came before us or to another person. The book is, indeed, the perfect artifact!

    --Jayne

    9:45 AM  
    Anonymous AgTigress said...

    The book is, indeed, the perfect artifact!

    * * *

    Certainly is, Jayne! ;-) :-D

    Someone (sorry, can't remember who it was) made the very cogent point, above, that reading on a screen is more tiring than reading a printed sheet of paper. I think many of us find this.

    A related point, for me, is that I am unable to check and proof-read a text very well on screen. When I am writing something for publication, I have to print it out on paper to be able to spot repetitions, infelicities, and just plain tatty old typos. I so easily miss them on the screen.
    I wonder if this is because I came late to word-processing, or whether it is an intrinsic problem? What do all the other writers think?

    I love word-processing - I have always preferred typing to writing by hand, and the facilities for moving text and deleting and pasting and searching and changing are terrific: but when that text is ready to go to the editor, even though it will be going as an e-mail attachment, on a floppy or, these days, on a CD (depending on length), I have to make that final check on printed, paper pages, or I'll miss something vital.

    :-)

    12:52 PM  
    Anonymous AgTigress said...

    Sorry, I am writing too much, but thinking about this, I am pretty sure the printed book / electronic reader is never going to be about an 'either/or' choice, and that physical print will not be superseded for the foreseeable future. In other words, I think it is a case of adding on rather than substituting.

    You all know that, as photography developed, some people claimed that 'painting was dead'. Well, it wasn't, and it isn't, and it won't be. What has happened is that each art and craft has developed, and though they have substantial areas of overlap, both processes remain vital and continue to develop. I think that digital photography will probably kill film photography, but that is a technical detail, a subdivision of the class 'photography'.

    Electronic publication is a useful add-on, not something that threatens the very existence of the traditional book, the codex that the Romans invented nearly two millennia ago.

    :-)

    1:09 PM  
    Anonymous Louis said...

    Books....we will always have books....whether in paper, plastic, or electronic form!

    I still prefer the paper in hand to read.

    Just finished re-reading Jayne's "Wildest Hearts" for the umpteenth time. Annie and Oliver...delightful people.

    1:27 PM  
    Blogger Stella said...

    A lovely, lovely blog, Jayne. Thank you. And I would like a copy of the illustration of the delightful lady with her codex.

    This could be a wormy issue but I think if we all stick together, hoard our physical books and, if necessary, build vast facilities in which to keep them . . .oh, would those be libraries? I had something else in mind. We keep our fabulous libraries but we band together and make sure there are always books with pages to be turned, books to be read beneath the bedcovers by children with failing flashlights, books to dry out after they've been dropped in the bath, books to fondle with covers worth staring at.

    Of course the electronic versions will increase in number, but for some, they will never be an acceptable substitute. All day long and a good deal of the night, I stare at a screen, not necessarily reading what I'm writing at that point, but still staring. My eyes become uncomfortable. Sometimes when I turn my eyes after long periods of statue-like stillness, they really ache. Do I want to move all that misery over into my favorite hobby, reading? Nope.

    I also like Tigress's idea of the connection through books. In fact, every post today is well worth a read--thank you.

    How many of you have saved your childhood books? I saved a bunch of mine, passed them to my children, then took them back again (amid wails of "unfair") so that my grandchildren can have something different to read when they're at our house. In these books there are no boyfriends and girlfriends other than in the real sense of the words. Clothing is a nuisancy necessity and takes too much time to put on and take off. The object is to follow the mystery, solve what's "up" and get so excited you can't turn the pages fast enough.

    So, what will the book of the future look like? I believe it will look as it does today, that there will be electronic books--in greater numbers than now--and that we may even see a resurgence of interest in physical books. It's all an adventure and I consider myself blessed to be along for the ride.

    Very soon I shall be looking for a most special book on horses through the ages. I'm hoping I'll be able to get it from the Metropolitan Museum of art. If not, I'll find a way. My oldest granddaughter (6) will go to horse camp this summer and has read every book I've been able to find on care and feeding of these wonderful creatures, the huge variety of them, their illnesses, cures, types of tack, how to deal with problems that occur. She is not impressed with the snaffle bit because she tells me it's "a bit harsh." Now I think she will enjoy reading about the way the sizes and shapes of horses have changed and what these animals meant in various civilizations.

    There will be marvelous pictures in this book and the paper will feel like thick satin. And Serena shall sit in my chair in the library where she'll be lost for hours. Try getting the same experience with an electronic book.

    Read on, my friends,

    Stella

    1:56 PM  
    Anonymous AgTigress said...

    Ahem. Don't worry, Stella, a copy will appear for you in the post in due course.

    ;-)

    2:54 PM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    Ahem, I too, am looking forward to this particular horse book. AgTigress, might we have a full title and availability info posted here? Especially for U.S. readers? We're talking an excellent Christmas present for every little girl on a person's gift list.

    When I think of how much of my allowance went to buy horse books when I was a kid...

    --Jayne

    3:14 PM  
    Anonymous AgTigress said...

    Problem is, Jayne, it means publishing my name here, which I am a little leery of doing.

    Let's put it this way: the publication date is, I think, October (the book is just going into production as we speak).

    Anyone who is interested in a picture-book about Horses, illustrated with objects ranging from colossal sculpture to gems and jewellery, and from all periods from the Palaeolithic onwards, just check the website of Harvard University Press if you are in the USA. Please do not mention my, the author's, name here. Okay? I know many of you know it already, but I am paranoid, perhaps. The UK edition is from the British Museum Press, but their Autumn Catalogue is not online yet - Harvard's is.

    :-)

    3:35 PM  
    Blogger talpianna said...

    Check out L. Sprague de Camp's Lest Darkness Fall, about a history professor in Rome who falls back through time to the eve of the Dark Ages and manages to prevent them--the first thing he does is invent the printing press.

    Oops! I forgot--that's the SECOND thing he invented. The first was whiskey....

    ubxlqa -- Ubiquitous books (by) Xcellent litererati--Quite amazing!

    3:41 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I'm certainly collecting books! I'm not fortunate to have my childhood books but I've got my son's books and he is now 25!
    I like to 'rescue' books from thrift shops and library sales as well as buying them through bookshops.
    I've started collecting 19th books as well, mostly books on manners and housekeeping hints and children's books. They're always special but what a thrill when someone has put their name and the date inside!
    Next to collecting books for myself, I love giving them as gifts, gives me the opportunity share my favorites.

    8:31 PM  
    Blogger Shelli Stevens said...

    How did I not know my favorite authors, some local Seattle chapter members, have a fabulous blog!? This is great!

    Ok, ok, the book of the future. Hmm, I hear ebooks will become pretty darn big (but then I'm biased since I've sold to an epublisher) But... beyond that? Maybe on some other kind of material besides paper. Ack. I have no idea.

    Okay, glad I found you. I'll be back!

    10:55 PM  
    Anonymous AgTigress said...

    Hmm. Blogger ate my post. Wonder what it had against it?

    I relation to the book/electronic publishing debate, I want to call attention to the matter of permanence in written media. I am sure most of you are familiar with Jayne’s wonderful description, in Amaryllis, of the way in which the founders of the earth colony realised they had a serious problem as the earth-based high-tech equipment disintegrated on St.Helen’s. They set up what amounted to medieval scriptoria, teams of people who raced to transcribe vital information from the collapsing computers by hand, onto hand-made paper.

    I wonder how many personal computers made in 1986 are still in use, or are even still usable? I wonder how much trouble one would have today to recover a document created using now-obsolete software, and stored on a 5¼” floppy disc a mere 20 years ago? By contrast, there are documents written more than 4000 years ago on papyrus that can still be read today.

    1:40 PM  
    Blogger talpianna said...

    I don't know why you expect Blogger to treat you with respect, as you neither play the verification game nor sacrifice small animals to IT...

    firnuyn -- First I read, next use your napkin.

    2:47 PM  
    Blogger Michelle Buonfiglio said...

    First, I feel so validated knowing I'm not the only one who's concerned with turning in blogs on vacation.

    Next, what a perfect topic for book lovers. Yes, I love the feel of a book in hand, my friend and I were just discussing that comforting "library" smell, too. But I especially love the history of books, not just the value of craftsmanship, etc., but the importance of that form of written word.

    I'm humbled when I think of books burned or banned in horrid political climates, of writers black-listed or hunted, or killed for sharing their beliefs or art form.

    I know, too heavy when we generally talk romance. But I think that the fact we can choose to read novels in print just because they make us feel good, novels that might be banned in another time for being too suggestive, etc., is something not to be taken for granted.

    The word, published on paper and in book form, is here to stay. Every other form pales in comparison. I will admit I find e-book readers intriguing if for nothing more than the fact one can wipe cheese puff stains from them easily.

    3:58 PM  
    Blogger Jay said...

    AgTigress, this sounds like a book I need to have. Do you know if it'll be printing in Oz, or whether I'd be better ordering it from overseas?

    Books about horses were my first true love. My mother bought me a beautiful big hardcover when I was very young titled All Those Girls In Love With Horses - it had life stories of women in all aspects of the horse industry. One of the pictures showed a woman on her Appaloosa jumping a log with her arms stretched out to the sides. Nearly killed myself replicating that one - my pony hadn't seen the picture and thought my dropping the reins was her sign to do as she liked. *g*

    7:07 PM  
    Anonymous Ranurgis said...

    Well, I can say that I know one person who doesn't like "that musty smell of books" at least not of mine. But then, I've rarely ever seen him read a book--the newspaper and several magazines like TIME, Newsweek, Macleans, and computer and photography magazines, yes. So it seems that there are really people who can do without books.

    I know I can't When I saw the beautiful Roman mosaic, I wondered where it was from: is it still on a wall in Pompeii or is it now in one of the museums? I should check if maybe I have it on one of my slides.

    I can't imagine anything that will completely replace books. For the sake of space, I'd like to get an e-reader but the versions of the books I like are right up there in cost with the print version and you also have to have an appropriate e-reader which costs...? At first I really thought it was a solution to my problems of lack of money and space. But such is not the case, at least not the money and they certainly are harder to read on the computer than an book is. And I don't yet know about e-readers. Are they easier to read that computer monitors?

    I think, Jayne, that librarians are like teachers: once a librarian, always a librarian. I feel the same way about teaching.

    Speaking of books with "itty-bitty fonts", I suppose this new format of paperback with heavier paper good-sized print (for some people) and at least an inch taller is supposed to be progressive and much easier to read. It certainly isn't for me. I've been very upset that some favorite authors are coming out only in that. 1. It makes them more expensive. 2. I can hardly hold the books, never mind trying to read the inside edges of the books. 3. They don't fit into my bookcases. 4. I just plain don't like them.

    When Jane Fonda's book "My Life So Far" came out I first got it as a Large Print version. After readinfg 2 pages holding the book, my right had was so cramped, I could hardly straighten it out. How are the people for whom this edition is meant supposed to deal with it? Most of them have feebler hands than I do. I finally got the regular copy and, sad to say, I can't handle it that much better. I admit it's a big book. But maybe in that case, the Large Print version should have been put in 2 volumes.

    I freely admit that I'm having problems with other books as well since my eyes are getting worse. But I'd still rather have books than anything else.

    Interesting blog, Jayne. Have fun in Hawaii. I've never been there.

    9:50 PM  
    Anonymous AgTigress said...

    When I saw the beautiful Roman mosaic, I wondered where it was from: is it still on a wall in Pompeii or is it now in one of the museums?

    * * *

    It is a fresco wall-painting rather than a mosaic, Ranurgis, and it is now in the National Museum in Naples. It has sometimes, in the past, been claimed as an idealised portrait of the 6thC BC poet Sappho, but I don't think there is any basis for that theory.

    The book she is holding is, strictly speaking, not quite a fully-evolved codex, but a set of wooden tabulae. It was almost certainly the convenience of such things, 'leaves' or pages of wood linked together, generally concertina-fashion rather than all at one side, that encouraged the evolution of the codex with its bound parchment sheets. Papyrus scrolls needed some skill and experience to handle properly when reading, and it was almost impossible to prevent the outer part of the roll from suffering excessive wear over time. Just like the covers of our books!

    4:44 AM  
    Blogger Billie said...

    I don't think anything will replace books. There is just something so satisfying in holding a book, the weight the feel, the smell of the ink--it's all like an aphrodisiac to me!

    7:19 AM  
    Anonymous AgTigress said...

    Jay, as far as I know there will not be an Australian edition of the book, but I imagine that the UK edition might be obtainable there. I honestly don't know.

    The publishers who have brought out my books seem to worry only about the UK and US markets, as though the other native-English-speaking markets in Oz, NZ and SA are of no account.

    :-(

    9:28 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Since I love books to read but also the physical aspect of books (the covers, the paper of the pages, the fonts on the pages, the words on the page, etc), I am hoping that physical books do not disappear in my life time to be replaced with books on tape or other media. I work in the tech field so it is not in my interest to diss tech developments but I hate reading software books. (A lot of tech documentation is only available as software books. Bummer.)

    My son, who is completely engrossed in technology for entertainment, likes to read physical books so perhaps the future of physical books are secure. So long as there are enough people like my son, my husband and me who prefer to purchase and read a book published on paper, the hardback and paperback publishing industry will not die.

    There is no way that browsing online can compete with the pure pleasure of browsing in a bookstore or library.

    One problem I have is acquiring copies of out-of-print books. I would like to see a web site that would publish, upon request, any out-of-print book in either hardback or softback (sending the appropriate royalties to the authors, cover artist, etc). I know that the technology must be there for it, so I must assume the absence of a business like this is because it is not cost effective and/or there are copyright/royalty issues.

    12:05 PM  
    Blogger talpianna said...

    AgTigress said:The book she is holding is, strictly speaking, not quite a fully-evolved codex, but a set of wooden tabulae.

    It looks to me like codicilli, wax-covered wooden writing tablets for making notes and revisions, rather than a reading copy. Cf. Catullus 42:

    http://www.vroma.org/~hwalker/VRomaCatullus/042.html

    rhyrey -- Welsh version of "Riley," as in "living the life of Rhyrey."

    4:27 PM  
    Blogger Jay said...

    Catherine said: Jay, as far as I know there will not be an Australian edition of the book, but I imagine that the UK edition might be obtainable there. I honestly don't know.

    The publishers who have brought out my books seem to worry only about the UK and US markets, as though the other native-English-speaking markets in Oz, NZ and SA are of no account.


    *sigh* I shall try not to feel too snubbed. :)

    We are getting the British edition - it's telling me the publish date is August 31st, and yet Amazon has it down as November 15th. For once I might actually get a book before the rest of the planet!

    Looks good too. ;)

    9:00 PM  
    Anonymous AgTigress said...

    Tal, I still regard codicilli as referring chiefly to the material written on the tabulae rather than the tablets themselves. Yes, they are wax tablets; that's what I said.

    She is also holding a stylus to write on them. Wooden writing-tablets of another kind, which are not re-usable like the wax tablets, are much thinner, were written on in ink, and were usually connected concertina-fashion. The wax tablets, because of their thickness, are not normally found in sets of more than four (usually just two), whereas the thin wooden 'leaves' were often linked in much longer series.

    2:10 AM  
    Anonymous AgTigress said...

    Jay - I certainly don't believe in a publication date of August 31 in this case! The book has only just gone off to the printers; I was still checking colour proofs a fortnight ago.

    :-)

    2:13 AM  
    Anonymous AgTigress said...

    PS to Jay: I don't know where you found details of the UK edition on the internet, because the publisher hasn't issued the details yet! The cover shown on one or two web-sites is the Harvard U.P., US edition. The UK one has different cover art.
    ;-)

    6:13 AM  
    Blogger DFender said...

    Jayne wrote: But somewhere on a wall in Pompeii there's a picture of a woman holding a book called a codex.

    Too true. I saw that very picture this past May in Pompeii. Unreal. Very, very interesting to realize just how "advanced" those "ancient civilizations" were.

    Deb

    ucvoepau: Hah.

    1:54 PM  
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    8:10 PM  
    Blogger Jay said...

    AgTigress, that's okay, crush all my hopes. *g*

    I've crossed wires here - I got the cover art and info on the book from the Harvard website. I got the publish date from angusrobertson.com, which is the major bookseller here. That site says we're getting it from the British Museum Press, but doesn't actually show a cover picture. It still says August 31, too. *g*

    NB: That was me deleting my post. I had an absolute blonde moment and called AgTigress by the name I know her better by. Sorry all.

    9:20 PM  
    Anonymous Lynne said...

    Jayne,
    you wrote "a former (never ex) librarian" and I had to laugh. Sorta like the Marines --

    Also, we have a man who does the Professional Development in our state's library association, who always refers to himself as a "recovering librarian" ...
    Lynne,
    waving from cold and rainy (have you seen the floods? that's us) northern Ohio

    lhvvmk - Lynne has very very much krankiness [LOL]

    8:34 AM  
    Anonymous Lynne said...

    AgTigress,
    I just scoped out your book and we'll be getting it for the library - lots of horse lovers here!
    Lynne

    mvyctf - My very young cat tracks fluff

    8:41 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Books are here to stay, even if there are variations on paper, size, etc. I agree totally with the comments posted.

    A simple thing like blogs. I am too busy and can't access the computer very often. When I come across a blog like this and see the number of interesting comments, I would like to be able to print said comments so that I can read them at my convenience, but I can't. Am I the only person with that problem or are the blogs deliberately set up like that?

    Excellent blog and comments.

    Janine

    1:02 PM  

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