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    Thursday, February 15, 2007

    It takes all kinds....

    First, let me say that ...
    but I'm just too crushed for time to hunt up cute smilies to add.
    Sorry!


    Also, know up front that I'm THRILLED to hear from readers for any reason. I'm not picking on anyone here, or singling out any emails. To everyone who has written me - THANK YOU!

    This topic just seemed so interesting to me that I wanted to explore it more.
    Not to complain.
    Not because anyone's email or opinion bothered me.


    In fact, it always fascinates me to know what others think about my books, even if their thoughts are contrary with my own.

    So here I go.

    When I wrote Jude's Law , I introduced the heroine's brother Tim, who, at first, was about as sleezy and unlikable as you could get. Throughout that book, Tim didn't change much, but he learned a few things. And we saw him at least try to grow up and become a better person.

    I got a lot of emails from readers who wanted Tim dead.
    Buried.
    Gone from the earth.


    Tim was not well liked.
    Even I didn't like him, but I sort of understood him.

    And hey, as the heroine's brother, I couldn't see killing him. That would hurt her.

    Then, in Murphy's Law, with another secondary character's guidance, Tim morphed a little.
    Thanks to Denny, we saw Tim become a more likeable guy.


    Still not hero material in my mind.
    But he did show growth.


    Now I get just as many emails from readers who want Tim to get his own book, as I got from folks wanting him dead!

    I'm sorry to tell everyone, but it ain't gonna happen.
    Tim won't die, and he won't become a hero, either.
    Tim is what he is, a flawed secondary character. Period.


    But I remembered Tim's tale as I received some messages from readers about another character in my new book.

    In Causing Havoc, Roger on his worst day is, in my opinion, a whole lot better than Tim on his best day.
    But again, readers want him dead.
    There is such complete loathing for that poor man!


    In case anyone who hasn't read Causing Havoc still plans to, I don't want to give the story away.
    But I can tell you that Roger doesn't die.
    And like Tim, he shows growth.

    Yes, he made mistakes, but come on folks, what would a book be if all the characters were so clear cut as to be either a pure hero or a vile villain, with no one walking the line, or struggling internally?


    Can there be no misunderstandings?
    Can't there be, as in real life, some folks who stumble a little through misguidance or a horrid past?
    Can there be characters who make genuine mistakes, just as we humans do, but try to atone for those mistakes?


    Do you, as a reader, enjoy seeing a character redeemed if not in one book, then throughout a couple of books, maybe even a series?

    Do you like some "gray" personality types thrown in with the clear cut black and white?

    Can you name a character in a book that you started out hating, but came to like?
    Or vice versa?

    I hope that more people understand and forgive Roger, but if everyone despises him, I'll deal with that, too.
    Now Dean... he might have something to say about it.
    But we'll save that for another time when Dean might finagle his own interview again.


    Hugs to all!

    Lori

    28 Comments:

    Blogger Lynn said...

    I read and enjoyed Causing Havoc (whew, who turned up the heat in here?) and admit to confusion regarding Roger. I had more trouble with his redemption than Tim's. Maybe it was because I felt Roger seemed more, well evil, and Tim was spoiled, immature, and stupid.

    I'm holding out slim hope Cam dumps Roger for Simon. It could happen ...

    5:38 AM  
    Blogger KathyK said...

    I apologize if this pops up twice, but apparently the blog ate my first effort.

    I just finished reading "Causing Havoc" and liked it a lot. There are some problems with Roger, and Lynn has a great idea. My problem with Roger is that he's a bully who could easily slide into being a wife-beater if he continues in his present trajectory. I do believe that people can change and grow, so I don't want him dead. I'm just suspicious that the leopard hasn't changed his spots. Cam needs to tell Roger that she will not tolerate physical or emotional abuse, then stick to her guns. It wouldn't hurt if big brother has her back to reinforce that idea.

    7:00 AM  
    Blogger DFender said...

    Lori,
    I have no problem with secondary characters that are evil, redeemable, growing, continue to be stupid, etc. They help "flesh out" the story for me, good guy or bad guy.

    In J.R. Ward's Black Dagger Brotherhood series I was "in hate" with Z. By the time his character was more detailed in the other books and parts of his story were told I not only began to understand him but I was rooting for him. Then he did get his own book and I rooted for him the whole way through and cried when he ended up happy at the end of his story.

    Now, had his story not been told in his own book but as part of another I wouldn't have minded. Do I love the fact that he was redeemed? Well of course cuz damn he's sexy...LOL.

    There are other stories with secondary characters that remain as they are, some that grow, some that get worse... it's all a part of the bigger picture and I enjoy all of their parts.

    Happy Weekend-ing!
    Deb

    7:52 AM  
    Blogger marcia in ok said...

    Read the blog TWICE . . . and the same character popped into my head both times. I'm afraid to type it.

    But, I didn't so much "like' Scarlett O'Hara. But, I LOVE Gone With the Wind. And, face it, if Scarlett was "dead" - there would be no GWTW.

    7:54 AM  
    Blogger marcia in ok said...

    And Lori, I devoured Causing Havoc in one LONG sitting.

    Read Dean's interview, read the excerpt on your site, then had to rush straight from work to the bookstore to get my own copy. I canceled my "reserve" at my library.

    I had trouble making it through the whole book, cause I kept immediatly going back to reread dialogue. It was SOOOO good.

    When will Simon's excerpt be on your site?

    7:57 AM  
    Anonymous Kat said...

    First let me say that I LOVED Causing Havoc and even though I couldn't chat long on the 14th because of school and all, I loved chatting with Dean for the short time.

    Ok...as to the blog...One character pops up in my head..Mary Lou Morrison from Suzanne Brockmann's Navy SEAL Team Sixteen series. There is a woman who got pregnant...I'm not going to give anything away, but she got pregnant and the father, a SEAL, marries her even though Sam, the SEAL has had his own secondary love story with Alyssa. Its all very dramatic.
    Anyways, when the readers first meet Mary Lou you're supposed to hate her, I mean she took Sam away from his one true love. But in Sam's own book Mary Lou redeems herself and comes to terms with the fact that Sam has never loved her and even though they have a very cute little girl, will never love her.
    By the end of Gone Too Far I didn't love Mary Lou, but she was no longer on my "CHARACTERS THAT MUST DIE" list.

    As for Tim and Roger, I don't think they are worth killing, I'm not saying that I liked them, but I thought their characters added a sort of spice to the books.

    (pssst Lori, I don't think Cam should stay with Roger...Let her find someone a little better)




    On a totally off topic sidenote, since Dean spilled the beans about Simon Says, do you know when info about the book will be posted?????

    :)

    8:24 AM  
    Blogger elizabeth said...

    First, much sympathy, Lori. Years ago I created a character called April Joy. Readers still write wanting her dead or redeemed.

    Second, LOVED Havoc! Roger? Well, Cam has her/your work cut out. OTH, Cam obviously needed someone like him or she wouldn't love him.

    8:41 AM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    It takes all kinds in a novel, that's for sure. But as long as the hero and heroine have the basic heroic qualities of honor, courage, and determination, I can enjoy the "gray" personalities on the side.

    --Jayne

    8:49 AM  
    Blogger DFender said...

    LOLOL... I like April Joy, bitchiness and all. She definitely tells it like it is.

    Lori, I haven't yet read Causing Havoc, it's in my TBR avalanche, so I can't comment on Roger...yet ;-)

    Deb

    9:18 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I happen to love April Joy, she's kick ass and hot....

    Who would want her dead???

    9:19 AM  
    Anonymous Jessica said...

    I'm with dfender and anonymous. I liked April Joy...she wasn't good or evil. She just had her own agenda and well, that was priority one. Neither bad nor good, just a federal agent :).

    9:55 AM  
    Blogger Stella said...

    Lori: Fiction does have a few rules (most of which we break:) including, characters and conflict change and grow. No character is interesting if they don't change and if they aren't multi-faceted. Like you, I'm interested in the development of all characters and I expect a writer to throw people I can't stand in my direction. Another way to put that is "I want characters I love to hate."

    I had a character called Vinnie--a New York Cop who went bad for love of his father. He went from being the guy you wanted to see as a hero, to someone you understood but couldn't forgive--certainly not anytime soon. But folks would love to see his story. I liked Vinnie, too, loved his sense of humor, but he isn't going to be a hero.

    The proof of your command of character balance is in your stories and they're wonderful.

    Stella

    11:56 AM  
    Anonymous Louis said...

    I'm with the several comments above that like April Joy. She is some take charge gal.

    Would like to read her own story...think that would be kick ass...

    2:47 PM  
    Blogger Lori Foster said...

    Hi all! I just skimmed all the comments after being out ALL day. But wow, what a great day. I'm reply to individual remarks tomorrow, but I have to say... anyone who was waffling about seeing "Music & Lyrics by" PLEASE go see it!
    I loved, loved, loved it. Laughed every few seconds, and had to sigh several times. Drew Barrymore is adorable and Huge Grant... wowza. He is SO funny and such a great romantic lead.
    Awesome movie!

    Thank you everyone for commenting.
    I will say two things quickly... I plan to have stuff for Simon Says up on my site in a month. Ugh. Not before. I'm too swamped and the book isn't out til July and I don't want to steal Dean's thunder. ;-)
    And no, sorry, Cam isn't going to leave Roger and hook up with Simon. LOL. Simon has his own lady and if Cam tried it, Simon's lady would NOT tolerate it.

    You're all grand!
    HUGS,

    Lori

    7:28 PM  
    Blogger Pia said...

    Hi Lori,

    I am responding to your post about Music and Lyrics, at first my hubby said that he was willing to watch just 1 girlie movie a year and because of me, that was going to be it. So last Valentine's Day we saw it. Hubby was laughing a lot and he admitted that it was a well written, well directed movie with a great cast. It was such a great cute, romantic and fun film. I loved their chemistry. Both Hugh and Drew (i think I just made a rhyme) were awesome! Did you ever think that Hugh could sing? And boy he could grind! I'm talking hubby into watching it again. Oh and Lori,Ghost Rider and The Bridge to Terabithia are both out today.
    I'm still thinking about which characters I started hating but loved or vice versa. I just really wanted to comment about how I too loved Music and Lyrics.

    8:43 PM  
    Blogger karende said...

    I sort of liked Roger. I can see why he was the way he was and what led him to make the choices he did - and one does have to remember that Auntie Dearest was feeding him a line of BS all along. I think that living with Cam, if they ever get married, will give him a multitude of opportunities for an attitude adjustment. Especially once he realizes that the Conors didn’t have it all sunshine and roses, as he’d thought. He did suffer, but all things considered, they lost a lot more than he did. I think the bullying was an outgrowth of his bitterness, and once [if] he gets over that, he could do just fine, and Cam has the sort of gentleness that would soothe him into just about anything. Besides, if he so much as looked cross-wise at her, Dean would kill him or make him wish he was dead, no matter how much Cam loved him.

    Tim was definitely a jerk, but he also has possibilities for at least becoming a non-jerk. I can’t really see him ever being a heroic alpha-type, but he could turn out to be a much lighter shade of gray, and take some responsibility for himself.

    One can’t have too many heroes and heroines in a single story, there have to be others to compare them with, to provide them opportunities to show their stuff. Supporting characters can be nice people or not-so-nice people, but they do have to be there or the story just doesn’t go anywhere. If they are nice enough, maybe they’ll deserve a book of their own, or maybe not. If they aren’t nice people, it’s very hard to imagine that they could ever change to heroic status. As much as I read for escapism from reality, there has to be at least a bit of the real world in the background, and the Real World is shades of gray - not as gray as Elizabeth’s shadow world, but still gray. I just like the HEA, that’s my real escape, and any characters - heroic or otherwise - who contribute to it are necessary.

    PS: I’m one of the ones who would just love to see more of April Joy - like maybe she could be seduced into joining St. Kilda’s.

    karibear

    9:22 PM  
    Blogger Lori Foster said...

    Pia, wasn't that just the BEST feel-good movie!? I would love to see it again too. Hugh's one liners were hysterical.
    YOu have a Chihuahua? Me too! I have two of them. What adorable little doggies, huh?

    Karibear, I'm so glad everyone doesn't hate Roger. LOL. I promise, I make him look better and better in upcoming books. I hope everyone will be reassured.
    ;-)

    Stella, is that your new book cover? In the small avatar, it looks awesome!

    Elizabeth, oh boy. It sounds like April Joy is a real character! (Yeah, pun intended. LOL)

    Kat, Cam is sticking with him, and with good reason. I promise, I'll make you a believer! LOL

    Lynn! Tim tried to hand over his sister to save himself. He was the epitome of cowardly sleeze. :-) But I can see how differently the characters came across too. (And I'm glad I'm not writing the same bully over and over again.) LOL

    Hugs all!

    Lori

    6:35 AM  
    Blogger DeeandDee said...

    When an author writes a character that evokes such strong reactions from readers, the writer has done a fabulous job.

    I'm glad that Cam won't be getting her own story, and for a while I had hoped that Simon would be the one she would end up with, until Dean mentions that he has a steady woman back home. So, I'm wondering how Simon has his own book, and hoping it is with the steady woman back home, and not some one new. I just didn't feel that Cam was a strong enough character to carry her own book.

    I can't say I liked either Tim or Roger, but I understood where they both came from, and agree that Tim is what he is, a great secondary character. Roger, was an ass, but he was dealt just as sucky a hand as Dean and his sisters, and that does help in understanding him more. I agree, he is a huge bully, but his perceptions of what would make him acceptable was a driving force behind a lot of his actions, and that made him very real. I loved CAUSING HAVOC, but was hoping for just a mention, if nothing else of Jude and May. They will always hold a place in my heart.

    7:04 AM  
    Anonymous Ranurgis said...

    Just a question first: did writers actually say that they wanted these characters "dead"?

    That seems awfully drastic to me. There are so many grey people in life, probably more than there are black and white. Would people really like to kill them all off? They are a part of our lives and it makes perfect sense for them to be in the books we read. Of course, it would be great if all these people could be redeemed so that could be made into H/h-material for all of us. But in very few cases is that going to happen. There might, however, be someone for that person who can deal with the not-so-nice qualities and actually come to love him/her.

    It's odd that the only person I could think of as being grey was also Scarlett O'Hara. I think both she and Rhett Butler are grey people. However, since we often see Rhett just reacting to something that Scarlett has done, it's hard to know what his real character is like. But I don't like Scarlett and never will.

    As for Mary Lou Morisson in Suzanne's book, I think she is redeemed ultimately be the man who really loves her and whom she learns to love if that's not a spoiler. There are many mistakes made in the name of love and she made one as do so many others. Fortunately, she learned from her mistake.

    I must find out who April Joy is.

    3:53 PM  
    Blogger Lori Foster said...

    deeanddee, thank you! Such insightful comments - you nailed so much of what I had hoped to get across. :-)
    I'm sorry, but I couldn't mention Jude and May because they were from a Kensington book, and Causing Havoc is a Berkley book, and it's a tricky thing (contractually) to carry characters from one publisher to another. I know, I did it with the Winstons, but that's a loooong story. ;-)

    Ranurgis, yeah, some people wanted them killed, and not in a nice way. LOL. They wanted a brutal death. Oh well- guess they really struck some readers! LOL

    BIG HUGS,

    Lori

    5:20 PM  
    Anonymous Shiloh Walker said...

    I love redeemable characters. I love less than perfect characters, hero, heroine or secondary.

    :OP

    8:36 AM  
    Blogger Shana said...

    Sorry it took so long to respond. I didn't like Roger because of personal reasons. He reminded me to much of my ex fiance..who was controlling, jealous, verbally abusive..and when it got physical..well that's why he's my ex.(Oh don't worry he got a fat lip when he tried to put me in an arm bar to prevent me from leaving after an argument). Anyway I think thats why I had a dislike for Roger. I thought he could turn abusive. However at the end I felt alot better about why he was the way he was and that maybe there was hope for him : ) (hey look how much better Tim turned out lol)

    1:59 PM  
    Blogger froggie said...

    Hi Lori,

    Yes like most others I really disliked Tim. Not to the point of having him killed, but had I been May, I would have turned my back on him and my totally selfish parents. I can't think why she felt the need to continue taking care of their problems once she met and fell in love with Jude!

    7:25 PM  
    Blogger Lori Foster said...

    Hi Shiloh! I'll just say, "Me too." Obviously, huh? LOL

    Froggie, a lot of people feel responsible for their relatives, no matter what. I know, because I'm one of those people. Some peole are just born as the caregiver, and it's a tough role to shake off. For those who aren't that way, it's tough to understand. But I can't tell you how many people wrote to me to say they *were* May, and they totally understood how trapped she felt.
    The world is made up of all kinds of people.
    I hope *everyone* can learn to be strong and to stand up for what's right, even against family, but it's not easy.

    Hugs to all! Thank you for all the comments!

    Lori

    6:01 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    just read causing havoc and loved it *g* first i didn´t like Roger at all - I understand that he´s been through a lot but for me that doesnt explain grabbing Eve´s wrist. Later i ..hmm.. disliked him less ;-) Generally i like ppl with flaws - the others just seem too boring *he he*

    Sindy

    2:51 PM  
    Anonymous crankyshopper said...

    Tim didn't inspire me to wish him dead, but I can't see him as a hero either.

    The book in which someone I didn't admire at all became a hero, and the first book I remember reading where I saw it happen, was Mary Balogh's Dancing with Clara, where Frederick Sullivan hits bottom and gradually pulls himself back together. By the end of the story the reader can see that some of the characteristics that got him into trouble also helped him be the best man for Clara.

    But I thought at the time, and still do, that that kind of book is a more difficult read for the romance reader who wants to proceed to the happy ending by a fairly direct route.

    It is also a real test of the writer's ability to make a character plausible in a real-life way. In part, that's because the other characters have to have realistic reactions both to the bad side and the good side of the character. When a character reforms between books, it makes it less interesting for the reader, but a bit easier for the author.

    From my perspective, it is probably easier for the reader and the writer if the flawed/improved character has problems with drinking or gambling rather than abusing women.

    It seems to me one of the more common flaws in heroes is overly large egos. Susan Napier is one who likes to puncture them (True Enchanter, Counterfeit Secretary). And of course Jayne's books have great moments in ego reduction, too (Perfect Partners comes to mind). Given the frequency with which heroines knock down oversized egos, I'm guessing readers like that particular plot aspect.

    6:36 PM  
    Blogger Lori Foster said...

    Sindy, hi and thank you! (Love the spelling of your name. Very pretty.) I'm glad Roger grew on you a little.

    Cranky shopper, I never thought of him as an abuser of women! Wow, I'll have to reread what I wrote. He did grab Eve's wrist, but that was just (in my view) because of his over-enthusiasm in trying to win her over as a friend. Obnoxious and short sighted, but I can't imagine me writing an abuser of women. All my heroes would kick his butt. LOL

    Thank you ladies for your input and insights! It's invaluable to me.
    Hugs,

    Lori

    7:07 AM  
    Blogger Yasmine Galenorn said...

    I love, love, love anti-heroes and characters that walk between the good/bad realm. Life is made up of shades of gray rather than black/white, and I find characters who are flawed to be much more believable and intriguing than the Very Good Hero and the Good Girl and the Villain and the Slut. That's why every character I write about has some sort of flaw.

    Don't let them get you down--keep writing the characters the way they need to be.

    Yasmine

    5:12 PM  

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