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Tuesday, July 31, 2007

ELIZABETH WONDERS/WANDERS

I was talking with friends the other day, and the subject of “vacationing there” vs. “living there” came up.

One of my friends will vacation almost anywhere a cruise boat goes. It’s the cruise, not the destination that matters. This friend could live anywhere she wants; she chooses to live in a city. Loves the street “theater,” the horns, the screech and lunge of traffic, the hammer and clang of construction; the museums, the opera, the restaurants, the shopping.


Another friend vacations in Mexico, at one of the many beaches—Ensenada, Acapulco, Mazatlan. Other beaches in other countries, including the U.S., don’t appeal. She loves the flavor of a foreign place that isn’t too foreign. She lives in a suburb within forty to eighty minutes of a city, depending on traffic. She would rather live in a less crowded, yet not rural place. But as long as her house isn’t in tornado country, she’s happy.

Another friend hikes and backpacks for her vacation. Any wild country, anywhere in the world that people don’t carry Uzis, is on her good list. She lives in an apartment, but would prefer to live in a rural area. All she has to do is find a good job. (She’s been looking for years.)

Another friend goes to Europe and floats the canals of Holland and France. She doesn't speak Dutch or French. She loves using sign language at all the local markets and cheese shops. She lives in an area of the western U. S. that isn’t rural, but isn’t at all crowded.

Then there’s moi. I will vacation anywhere that isn’t a city and people don’t carry Uzis. After a few days in any city, all I want is OUT OUT OUT. The noise and press of people wears me down and/or drives me nucking futz.

I have discovered I can live in almost any place west of the Rockies that isn’t a city.

Desert? Bring it on. Love sunshine.

Mountains? Absolutely. No mountains, no peace of mind. I discovered this the hard way, by living in Chicago. Did not work. I was one unhappy puppy until I saw mountains on my horizon again.

Beach? As long as it isn’t too crowded at the waterfront, I’m good. (Southern California is WAY too crowded along the water. That’s why I left.) When I go to Hawaii, I go to the Big Island, which is much less crowded—and has an active volcano! (Yes, I get excited about things like that.)


What my friends and I all agree on is that the best way to ruin a vacation place is to live there.


What about you?

Do you live where you love and love where you live?

What are your favorite places?

22 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, I live in Hawaii and chose it. I am from the midwest where it's winter 9 months of the year. I wanted to live where it was warm. When I got to Hawaii and met some of the people and learned about the history, I was hooked. I think I must have been Hawaiian in another life.

My kids both live in the mainland, one just outside LA, the outside San Diego. While I like visiting them, I can't imagine living anyplace but Hawaii.

We have everything here, sun, sand, beautiful ocean, mountains, snow (yes it snows in the winter on top of Mauna Kea, Mauna Loa, and Haleakala), and that pesky and fascinating active volcano (it's been erupting since January, 1983!).

I love visiting other places of all kinds, but can't imagine anyplace better than where I am.

I'm taking a trip with my daughter in October to New England. She has never seen the trees change color and I haven't seen it for years. It's going to be great. But still, Hawaii Calls.

Thanks for setting my mind on a journey of different places. Hope to get to some of them in the future.

Aloha,
Kathy H

1:12 AM  
Blogger Cbell said...

I live in Nashville... but I could sooooo live out west. Some years ago I spent some time in the Arizona, New Mexico, Utah area. I hiked the southern rim of the Grand Canyon, and could easily have just planted myself right there. The majesty that is out west is undeniable!

5:37 AM  
Blogger Lori Foster said...

I haven't been enough places to say for sure where I'd like to go and what I'd like to see. I love nature, so mountains, lakes, oceans, desserts... they all seem appealing to me.
But cities don't do it for me. I don't mind a quick visit, but I couldn't live there, and I wouldn't want an extended vacation there.
I'd love to be on about a hundred secluded acres where I'd only see other humans if I chose to.
I like where I live, and I'm happy here, but I'd be happiest hiding away. LOL

Lori

6:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I like the theatres and restaurants of a big city but don't like a lot of crowds. I agree with you about mountains. I need to see them every year. But I couldn't live there because snow for 9 months isn't something I could handle. I'm not a beach person at all because I get fried in about 10 minutes. In the mountains you can wear a long sleeved shirt and pants, put on a hat and slop on sunscreen. No one thinks you are odd, or at least not odder than the usual. I haven't had much opportunity to travel in the US or in the world and I want to. Just as soon as we retire... KathyK

6:35 AM  
Anonymous Nancy R said...

A vacation for me is any place where a ringing phone is not for me. Hawaii is best but I love lots of places as lonas the phone isn't for me

8:22 AM  
Blogger Elizabeth Guest said...

I live in a small city (250,000) and it's perfect for us. We have theatre, restaurants, the ballet, a wonderful museum of art, a zoo, my favorite airport anywhere (how many places greet visitors with a cookie?), you name it.

Although we live within the city limits, our 3/4 of an acre backs up to a nature preserve. Right now I'm really ticked at our resident ground hog or the deer that regularly graze through our backyard on their way to the pond. Someone/something has suddenly decided to eat the clematis I've been nursing for the past five years. :-)

I love where I live. I also have the wanderlust and love to travel. For me it's the best of both worlds.

Happy Wednesday!
~EG

8:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I live in Klamath Falls, Oregon (20 minutes north of the California border and smack dab in the middle of the lower portion of the state). We are a high desert region, meaning we are dry with lots of sun!

Warm to hot days in the summer (80's to 90's); beautiful autumns with lots of color and cool nights for sleeping; snow in the winter with a crisp blue sky that will raise your spirits while you're shoveling the driveway.

I lived in Portland, Oregon for 19 years before coming back home to KFalls in 2000. Don't miss the rain, don't miss the hugantic slugs on my patio, don't miss the traffic, don't miss the high cost living.....

Have a terrific day! We are supposed to be 95 degrees today with clear skies.

Karen Culley
(who still cannot remember her username and password)

9:33 AM  
Blogger Pia said...

We live in what we consider our paradise which is in Bellevue, WA. We love the people here and we are in such close proximity to a number of things that are important to us like our Parish, groceries, parks, the gym, movie theaters, the library, bookstores, home depot, bestbuy - my husband's work is 7 minutes away and we live really close the malls - belle square, factoria, crossroads...

The weather here is wonderful, we don't miss the 100 degree summers and the 24 inch snows in the winter (especially the snow shoveling) in New York.

Prior to moving here, I've always loved to live in the city, growing up we lived in Manhattan, New York then moved to Greenhills, Philippines to Kowloon side, Hong Kong - I moved back in New York, then in Jersey City, New Jersey where I met my husband and finally here in Bellevue.

This year we are planning to go on several vacations around the U.S., it will be in major cities.

Thanks.
Pia

9:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hi All -
I live in the suburbs of Washington, DC and have to say, I could not live in the city. Way too much concrete for me. I do like being able to the the Metro (our subway) from the burbs into the city to enjoy the Theater, restaruants and playing tourist around the city. When my hubby and I travel, we usually go to a large city and explore it and the surrounding area.

Have to say though, I would love to move closer to the beach for retirement. There is nothing as soothing as the sound of waves crashing against the shore... heavy sigh!

Holly

10:34 AM  
Blogger Stella said...

The sea is my must-have. Born by the sea, I drew up there and apart from a stint in Wichita Falls, Texas, I've always been within hailing distance of real water.

Living in the Pacific Northwest works because it tips the hat to British weather. Extremes make me nervous so big sun or big anything becomes difficult--including big cities.

The question about living where you like to vacation is provocative. We are addicted to Kauai, not the pseudo "authentic" Kauai or the areas where people congregate, but wherever the life is simple and easy, and flip flops are evening shoes.

Each time I revisit England I get a pang or two that makes me wonder if I want to be there for longer periods, but the feeling doesn't last. It's a wonderful country but not my own anymore.

We enjoy a cruise but choose according to the number of sea days. Many small ports where the object seems to be to collectT-shirts with sayings you'll only regret when you get home don't quite do it for us.

And where is the best place? Right here, of course. Mountains, trees and sea, sea, sea.

Stella

11:05 AM  
Blogger karende said...

Vacation vs living there. I’ve lived in a lot of places, and a lot of them I’d like to live in again, if they were just the way they used to be. But a vacation, for me, is mostly just doing things in a different routine. The changing seasons provide enough of a change in themselves.

I grew up in St Louis County, and would have loved living in the city itself, though the county was OK. There were wonderful museums, art galleries, the botanical gardens, the zoo, the Muny Opera, Gaslight Square - especially the Square, I worked there through high school - but it’s gone now. I left there in the mid-60s, and went back in 2000, and all that was good seemed to have vanished, except the roads to the Ozarks. I loved living in Seattle in the late 60s, but that’s nothing like the Seattle of today. I loved living on a ranch in northeastern Oregon, but since there’s no way I could afford my own ranch, forget that. When I went to Alaska in ‘69, I felt like I was coming home for the first time - then we had to leave in 2000, and from what I’ve heard from my friends there, things haven’t improved since then.

One of the real drawbacks I’ve discovered is that people in the Lower 48 seem to be speaking the same language, but the words don’t seem to mean the same thing - it’s like a foreign language disguised as English. I really don’t like the jobs divided by gender in the Lower 48 - no matter what the feds say, there are “women’s” jobs and “men’s” jobs, and in far too many places if a woman doesn’t have a man to take care of her, she’s less than a real person. My daughter ran into that a lot in the deep south in the ‘90s - she’s a custom woodworker, and just because she happens to also be a cute blond, a whole lot of people didn’t take her seriously. Not until they actually saw her work, anyway.

About 15 years or so ago, I was looking for rural property in the Ozarks. I found a couple nice ones that I called about [this was before the internet]. One of the agents I talked to said there was no way I could live on the property in question, it would take WORK to live there! And by work, he meant taking care of the livestock included [a flock of chickens and a milk cow], taking care of the pasture land [moving the cow from one pasture to another], and manage to get to the store on my own. The store was only about 5 miles down a country road. I explained in detail what it was like living on the semi-homestead I’d been living on for 14 years, that I did have a husband but that his thing was cars, not livestock, and if I didn’t think I was capable of actually living 5 miles from the store I wouldn’t have called! He finally allowed as how I might just be able to do what I said, but he still had reservations and wouldn’t give me a firm price for the property.

The older I get, the more I want to be in the middle of nowhere, just me and my critters and my computer. I’d like to have a rural plot big enough for my dogs to run [after it was fenced] and a horse, and a few chickens. I’d like to have a few neighbors, not too close, a nearby community just big enough to hire a handy man if so needed and someone to drive me to the nearest city for major shopping expeditions [rare] or where there were medical facilities - not a big city, just one big enough for a medical center. I don’t mind paying others to drive me or do jobs I can’t any more, but I do resent the attitudes of real estate agents who can’t quite believe I know what I want.

My only other alternative would be to live within a city where I could use bus service, and the thought of that gives me cold chills. There are no attractive cities, not for me - I’d shrivel and die.

karibear

12:53 PM  
Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

For a vacation no place beats Hawaii as far as I'm concerned. But day-to-day life here in Seattle is pretty great. I can walk to all the necessities of life, including Nordstroms.

--Jayne

4:10 PM  
Anonymous Jessica said...

I'm a bundle of contradictions. I'm a homebody, in that I need a place to set down roots and feel like I belong. But, I also have a serious wanderlust. Every few months, I get the urge to go somewhere, anywhere other than where I am. It can be a weekend trip, but it must be Away.

I like being near the city -- close to museums, great shopping (like you, Jayne, Nordy's, or at least a good Macy's, is a must), and lovely food. But you couldn't pay me enough to actually live in the city. I like living in a suburb/small town where I can get to know people. I've found the perfect solution -- I live in Fredericksburg, a suburb/smallish town about 50 miles south of DC.

Like I said, a bundle of contradictions :).

5:17 PM  
Anonymous Ranurgis said...

For the most part, I've lived in or close to mid-size cities: 50,000 to 600,000 inhabitants. I too like those for the cultural events that can be found there. However, often I was lucky enough to live a little outside the city near a creek or river. My favorite home was definitely in Winnipeg where we lived on the shore of the Assiniboine River--although the mosquitoes were definitely a minus.

I love to travel while I'm on vacation. I'm not a beach hog at all. I'd rather be walking and exploring old churches, climbing around the ruins of castles or up a mountain, even by myself--which is really a no-no. Nothing bad happened to me but it could have.

I loved to see different cultures and different places and still do. As to where I'm living now: Get me out of here! Please! Pronto!

My sister lives on a farm with some hilly terrain, Highland cows and some trout pounds. For living, that is my ideal. I certainly want to get away from here with all the noise just outside my window.

7:19 PM  
Anonymous Lori of Canada said...

I live in Nova Scotia, Canada. I love it!!! There are a number of rural areas (I am just getting back from a friend's cottage on the ocean; beautiful view and a wonderful time) and there is a lot of space.

Although I have visited a few big cities (like Montreal and Toronto), I could not imagine living there. I spent a week in Toronto at the beginning of July and was happy to leave and come back to home. I live on 3 1/2 acres of land (and most of it is woods behind my house); it allows for a lot of privacy.

However, I haven't travelled as much as I would like. Next year, I am taking 30 students to Europe (we are visiting Paris, Monaco and Rome) and am excited. I am also hoping to get to Lori's reader get together. So excited to travel.

However, I know I will be happy to come back home after every trip....

Lori M

11:56 AM  
Blogger Diane P said...

We live on top of a mini-mountain-1100 ft. 26 miles out side of a city. I could not live anywhere it is flat. I love where we live in the Pacific Northwest. We're 1 1/2 hours to the real mountains and the same distance to the beach. I don't even mind the rain because the Summers are so awesome! Consequently a nice sunny vacation in the dead of winter is great-Mexico, Hawaii, even Las Vegas-the sun, adds to the vitamin D.

1:15 PM  
Blogger wavybrains said...

I love living in a medium city in the Pacific northwest--we're an hour from Portland, 4 hours from Seattle, and we live close to the areas we like to visit (oceans, mountains) but still have job options that we wouldn't if we lived in a more "vacation" area. Neat question! I love to visit more remote areas, but I also like living near a bus line and close to stores.

1:50 PM  
Blogger elizabeth said...

Thanks for all your comments! I love the fact that people come in so many flavors. ;-)

6:29 PM  
Anonymous Ranurgis said...

Elizabeth, I quite agree with where you most like to live. At the moment, I have very few, if any choices. So I'm stuck in a city of 350,000 right on one of the main routes out with lots of noise blaring around me even if it's just the incessant beeping of people trying to cross the street "on demand" as they tell me. And if it doesn't change immediately, since it's "supposedly change on demand" even if somebody just finished crossing and never mind the vehicular traffic, they will beep for 2 or 3 minutes. Just now an ambulance whizzed past. Lots of emergency vehicles choose this route too. The spots I lived before in London were much more peaceful: my parents' house right beside a creek and then an apartment somewhat off the main drags.

But mountains and water would be my ideal for living. Well, I do have a hill behind this street a bit and in-between, we have the Thames River and the Sifton bog. But in general, London, ON is flat rather than interesting but it does live up to its nickname of "the forest city."

7:21 PM  
Blogger Jennifer said...

Growing up in New England, I got to see the leaves change in the fall, enjoy the fun of snow days as a child, and get caught in driving rain storms as I walked around campus in southern Rhode Island. Walking outside meant getting soaked to the bone no matter what you wore in 10 to 20 minutes.

I couldn't wait to get out of the suburbs. I lived near the highway and couldn't get anywhere without having to drive a car. As you can probably guess, I don't like driving. Living closer to Boston is better because I can use public transportation, but I would rather live in a small town close where I could walk or bike everywhere and pets wouldn't be an issue.

As for vacation, I like to explore. Anyplace with interesting terrain or great architecture is fine with me. I pack light, bring a camera and sketchbook, and go off on an adventure. While I haven't had much opportunity to do that, I have plans to visit more places.

My ideal place would be somewhere near the desert and the mountains that doesn't have a lot of snow. It's far enough away from the city that I don't have to deal with smog, but close enough that I can drive in when I feel like it.

It's great to read about all of these interesting views. Someday, I would like to visit the Western part of the US and see if reality matches the ideal in my mind.

Jennifer S

5:28 AM  
Anonymous TinaF said...

I love where I live. Northwest Montana in the Rocky Mountains.

6:42 PM  
Anonymous Heather B said...

Right now we live in Albuquerque. It's actually a pretty cool place to live. Sentimentally, not literally. :-) Surprisingly, the weather here is quite varied for what you'd expect in a 'desert' community. We get rain, thunder and wind storms; occasional snow storms (believe me, THAT was a surprise we weren't expecting a few months after arriving), and plenty of big sky sun. The mountains are a lovely sight to see everyday and I, too, cannot be happy in on flat land after living with spectacular scenery in CA and NM.
The culture here is really a huge melting pot, but in a different way than SoCal or NY. Many Mexican, New Mexican and native influences here, more Midwesterners than in the Midwest it seems (as a native of WI, I tend to pick them out easily), and every other person on the street seems to have a different accent! The City itself is spread out, and still feels suburban to me rather than straight urban. The artistic nature of the area is alive and apparent everywhere you look! From the sculptures, murals and mosaics all over the place (including the overpasses), to the ancient petroglyphs and landscaping. Art is old and it's a vital part of NM. We have enjoyed that aspect immensely.
We are headed back to Cali in a few weeks, but our time here has been interesting and educational. NM is not what I expected, it is definately MORE than I expected. Besides being 6hrs from everywhere, it's a beautiful place to road trip and explore. I hope we come back and visit and get to see everything we haven't seen thus far!

7:37 PM  

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