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  • Saturday, November 22, 2008

    ELOISA JAMES: THE SURE THING



    Jayne, here, to introduce ELOISA JAMES, New York Times bestselling author of sparkling historical romance to tell us about her new book, WHEN THE DUKE RETURNS. If you like your historicals laced with scandal, humor, great sex and terrific dialogue — yes, she does it all and brilliantly — you're going to love Eloisa James.

    As a special bonus, Eloisa will be giving away five copies of books from her The Desperate Duchesses series to five lucky people who post comments to this blog. Winners will be announced Tuesday afternoon, Nov. 25 here at RWQ.

    Now, please welcome ELOISA JAMES:

    ~ THE SURE THING ~

    Remember that classic John Cusack movie, The Sure Thing? Gibson is a virgin who sets off across the country hoping for a teenage male’s Holy Grail: an easy blonde in a bikini.

    We romance writers deal with Sure Things all the time. In the course of writing seventeen historical romances, I've created an array of female virgins; unlike Gib, my heroines actually do end up with a female version of the Holy Grail— i.e., a muscled duke. Not to be sarcastic, but at this point I could write a virgin’s first sex scene in my sleep. Just choose your preference:
    a) Door Number One: Ultra sexy and wouldn't you know it, she feels nothing more than a tiny pinch and follows that up with three loud and enjoyable orgasms?

    b) Door Number Two: Ultra shy and prone to saying things like “That will never fit!” while trying to wrap her delicate fingers around something that is apparently bigger than a breadbox. Luckily it all fits and she achieves three quieter orgasms.

    c) Door Number Three: Ultra curious but (alas) destined for a not-all-that-much-fun first time. This is the door my heroines generally hide behind, simply because I think it’s a lot more realistic, as well as more interesting.
    Sometimes if I'm in a good mood, my heroine gets one orgasm—but I promise she makes up for anything she misses later on (*g*).


    The heroine of When the Duke Returns, Isidore, is definitely more curious than shy. Married by proxy as a young teen, she’s now twenty-six and more than ready to lose her pesky virginity, if she could just coax her husband back from the wilderness:

    “I'm tired of sleeping alone. If Cosway turns out to be a horrible sort of man with whom I don't want to spend time, well, then I might leave him and return to Italy. But at least I won't have this talismanic virginity any longer. And I might have a child.”

    So far so good: her husband, the Duke of Cosway, is about to show up and he’s definitely the male counterpart to a blonde-in-a-bikini. Since Isidore's mother wasn't around to give her “the” talk, I had a lot of fun with her reaction to the (ahem) aftermath of love-making.

    But to get back to the classic movie, what about the Gibsons of the virgin world? Male virgins aren't so easy to include in a romance novel. Just check out this picture of Cusack all those years ago. He’s young and naïve. Not sexy. I can certainly see why he needed a Sure Thing.

    It’s my firmest belief that a writer – whether of romance or literary fiction – needs to keep challenging herself. I might joke about Doors One, Two and Three, but the day I find myself phoning it in is the day I retire. So how to raise the stakes?

    When you have one Sure Thing – why not TWO? Here’s the opening of Chapter One of When the Duke Returns, which just published:
    “He’s a virgin.”
    “What!”
    “He’s a virgin and –“
    “Your husband is a virgin?”
    “And he won't bed me.”
    So how’s that for turning a Sure Thing into double-the-fun?

    One of my favorite male-virgin romances is an older book, Katherine Kingsley's No Sweeter Heaven. What do you think the best male virgin romance out there is?

    And can you think of the Three Doors for male virgins? What kind of man ends up a virgin – and what can an author do to avoid having a hero with the sex appeal of a very young Cusack?

    47 Comments:

    Anonymous SamG said...

    I don't know if I can come up with 3 doors. At least not as well as you did with the ladies...

    1) I could see a more contemporary 'always met someone that was not going to be in his life long, and cared enough not to *use* them?'

    2) Someone traumatized by witnessing how much a woman (mother, sister, young cousin) hated being forced and therefore was NOT going to push...then just got to be known as a 'buddy' not a stud???

    3) Someone that ended prematurely when first trying out the system and so he
    won't try again until the lady cannot
    leave him????

    I have not seen that Cusack movie. I need to now. I love all of his that I have seen.

    Sam

    9:08 PM  
    Anonymous ms bookjunkie said...

    Darn! I know I've read some virgin heroes but I can't for the life of me remember when, where or who! Hmm, gotta think...

    Possible reasons for the hero's virginity:

    1) Growing up with parents who are some sort of fanatics, obsessed with sex being dirty. Or parents who are really religious and practice what they preach. Or growing up without contact with the opposite sex.

    2) Being the result of a one night stand, left behind by deadbeat parents, or growing up around promiscuous parents/infidelity could make a guy decide that it would be a good idea to be careful about what he does with his sperm.

    3) Maybe he just believes the other half of him is out there and worth the wait.

    Avoiding the SA of a very young Cusack:

    Make the hero emotionally mature. Not desperate to lose his virginity, but aware that yes, he is a virgin and since, for now, facts are such, he might as well be -if not exactly deliberate but- aware about it and make it matter. No drunken fumblings. Exploration, joy, sharing are good! (With the heroine, that is! :-)

    And why can't I remember any virgin heroes!? *frown* *grimace* My memory is starting to go... Oh, noes!

    Ah ha! THE SHADOW AND THE STAR by Laura Kinsale. (That is, if sexual abuse as a child doesn't count as a devirginzser.)

    2:36 AM  
    Anonymous kris b said...

    wow everyone has good ideas! I knew I wasnt a writer! LOL but... I don't know that I ever read a male virgin story before! hmmI will have to really think about it, but right off the top I dont remember any! and I really don't have any ideas about them since I just read about them and not right, I don't think of the pplots I just enjoy them! ;-)
    I might have to check out some of those male virgin books mentioned however! though I am working my way through another pile of books right now it might take me a while to catch up!
    its good to have you here!

    3:46 AM  
    Blogger DFender said...

    Hiya Eloisa! Welcome to RWQ and thanks, Jayne, for the introduction.

    My most favoritest, wonderful male virgin hero is Zsadist from J.R. Ward's Lover Awakened, part of the Black Dagger Brotherhood series.

    As for the doors... in an effort to avoid the whole "young Cusack unsexiness" thing, these three scenarios seem most likely to create a "hot" hero that just may turn out to be a virgin ;-)

    1) Childhood Trauma
    (His or a close female and/or male friend/family member)
    2) Ugly Duckling Syndrome
    (Gorgeous, now! Wooo!)
    3) Holyman (Stella! LOL)
    (Possibly rethinking his vows)

    Whatta great blog topic! Thanks for engaging my brain this morning... LOL.

    Deb

    5:25 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    One of the really good male virgins I recall is Jamie Frasier from "Outlander" by Diana Gabaldon. He was 24 and a virgin when he met Claire. Part of it was the vigilant papa of an earlier love interest. He was also a committed Christian and tried hard to live what he believed. All the ideas of why someone might be a virgin are good. KathyK

    6:51 AM  
    Anonymous Eloisa said...

    Hi everyone! SamG, I love your ideas, but here's one of the problems with being a romance writer. All three of your suggestions create men whom I would really like, and would really like to be with, for that matter. BUT...it would be hard to make a man that sensitive into a romance hero. I don't know why, but women like to marry men who know their way around a dish washer, but don't like to read about that same nice guy!

    Eloisa

    7:32 AM  
    Anonymous Eloisa said...

    Hi MsBookJunkie and DFender,

    I agree with you -- childhood abuse or something really traumatic back then is just the thing to drive a man to virginity. BUT (a big but)...wow, is that a challenge for the romance writer who creates that character! It takes someone brilliant (JR Ward or Laura Kinsale) to turn that trauma into a tender, loving story. I just reread Mary Jo Putney's The Spiral Path, which has a hero with that sort of background. It's absolutely brilliant!

    And KrisB, hi there! I think it's not a problem with your memory -- there just aren't all that many male virgins out there. We tend more toward men who are exuberantly experienced *g*

    Eloisa

    7:36 AM  
    Anonymous Eloisa said...

    Hi Anonymous!

    I know I'm the only person in the world who never made it through Outlander..

    And I can cap that by saying that I only read 100 pages of Twilight as well!

    What's the most famous romance that you never made it through?

    Eloisa

    7:37 AM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    Welcome to RWQ, Eloisa. By the way, I love those opening lines from WHEN THE DUKE RETURNS. Wish I'd thought of them first!

    --Jayne

    7:48 AM  
    Blogger Teresa Medeiros said...

    Oh, honey, John Cusack has ALWAYS been sexy! ;)

    8:10 AM  
    Blogger Teresa Medeiros said...

    Oh, and I'd have to go with Jamie Fraser from OUTLANDER as sexiest virgin hero too.

    8:11 AM  
    Blogger Laura said...

    Hi Eloisa, Good to see you here at RWQ. I concur that Jamie Fraser from OUTLANDER as the sexiest virgin hero. oh mama was he hot. But TWILIGHT? I just don't get what all the excitement is about. Couldn't get past the first third of that book. I'm looking forward to WHEN THE DUKE RETURNS!

    8:34 AM  
    Anonymous Eloisa said...

    Hi Jayne, Laura and Teresa!

    As for those first lines, I tend to think of my novels as plays, so I love to get a truly dramatic piece of dialogue going... (not that you're any slouch there yourself!)

    Teresa and Laura,
    I guess I should pick up Outlander again, huh?

    Eloisa

    8:39 AM  
    Blogger Molly said...

    I don't think I've read a romance where the hero is a virgin. "When the Duke Returns" might have to be my first one. It sounds intriguing.

    3 Scenarios:
    1) Ultra naive and raised in an all-male tribe, the warrior captures a princess but only so he will have a slave ready to roast his venison and wash his loin cloth. Determined to avoid work, the princess sets out to distract him with carnal activities.
    2) Ultra focused, he has one goal in mind: Olympic gold. He's hardened himself against the lure of women. Days before the games, a temptress crosses his path.
    3) Ultra faithful, he is waiting for marriage. When he finally falls in love, it's with a woman who refuses to marry.

    Thanks for the mental exercises! That was fun.

    9:06 AM  
    Blogger Raven99 said...

    One of my favorite virgin heroes is Matthew from Anna Campbell's Untouched. Matthew was a virgin because his uncle had him declared insane when he was fourteen and then locked him away where he could not escape. The sexual tension between the hero and heroine was wonderful in this book. Matthew had not been around a woman in a very long time, so you can just imagine his reaction to being close to Grace.

    As far as what an author can do to make a virgin male have sex appeal - He just needs to be confident in himself. In addition, he needs to be eager to learn to please his woman.

    9:57 AM  
    Blogger Gillian Layne said...

    I loved Lisa Kleypas's Worth Any Price, with Nick Gentry finally going to a brothel to lose his virginity. Great scene!

    I adored Twilight, so I'd urge you to give it a second chance!

    10:54 AM  
    Blogger Maureen said...

    The only male virgin hero I can think of is in Anna Campbell's Untouched. Society has never punished men for losing their virginity so I think the male virgin has to be that way due to lack of opportunity or some deeply held personal beliefs.

    11:17 AM  
    Anonymous Eloisa said...

    Dear Molly,
    What a great imagination you have -- I love door #1! It has kind of a Tarzan appeal: not the boy Tarzan, but the beautiful young man who sees a woman for the first time... yum.

    And Raven, I adored Untamed as well! It actually reminded me of Laura Kinsale's Flowers from the Storm, where the hero is also locked away in an insane asylum, there by his lunatic mother. Kinsale's hero has had a stroke. he can't talk well, and he can't understand when people speak quickly (at least until he starts to recover) but all his desire is still there. Wow, is that a sexy book! Same for Campbell. That's the one where the heroine is actually a virgin herself, isn't she?

    Eloisa

    11:19 AM  
    Anonymous Eloisa said...

    Gillian,
    I know I ought to give Twilight a second shot. I probably would have, but my 14-year-old son snatched it away and I never saw it again. And now he's finished them all and has read the last one 4 times, so I guess I don't have any excuse!

    Maureen, you're not only right, but I think it's something of the opposite than for women. Society punishes a woman for giving away her virginity, and a man for keep his. Those of you who saw THe Sure Thing will know what I mean -- the hero there is desperate to loose his inconvenient, embarrassing virginity.

    Eloisa

    11:22 AM  
    Anonymous Tammy said...

    Great start for the story I nearly spit my pop out when I read it!

    The only two male virgin stories I can think of is (like Dfender) Zzadist and Dara Joy's Ritual of Proof.

    Thanks for posting today!

    12:03 PM  
    Blogger Jane said...

    My favorite male virgin romance is Lorraine Heath's "A Matter of Temptation." I agree that childhood abuse or being a social outcast are some of the reasons a man ends up a virgin.

    1:05 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Can't wait to get my copy. Take it to the inlaws' so I can "go to bed early" and avoid them! I can't think of any other virgin stories with guys. The John Cusack movie is classic. There are guys out there who do save themselves until marriage or meeting the right girl. That could be one door.

    1:15 PM  
    Blogger Kasey said...

    Eloisa, first off, I am super excited for this book. I remember reading one male virgin story awhile back and I really liked it. For the life of me I cannot remember the name right now. As someone mentioned Edward in the Twilight series is probably one of my favorites right now. I haven't read to many with male virgins. I do like that twist on the story though because it is unfair that the woman is always the only virgin in the story.

    1:15 PM  
    Blogger susan andersen said...

    Hi, Eloise--welcome! I have to go with Deb: my fave virgin hero was J D Ward's Zdaist. Have really enjoyed the Duke series and am looking forward to this one!

    Great blog.

    ~Susan

    1:22 PM  
    Blogger radiantfitness said...

    I agree with Teresa (almost) on both points--young John Cusack, always sexy. Jamie Fraser, always sexy.

    I've only read one (regency) with a male virgin hero (and cannot remember the name). He was door number two of one of the earliest posts--Maw and Paw were highly promiscuous and he developed a distaste for that lifestyle. It worked--he was adequately alpha just the same.

    I managed to be unaware of Stephenie Meyer until the movie--and now my little cousins are gushing all over Facebook about it, so I'm not ready to even look at Twilight yet. I'd hate to be turned on by something that tweaks the 14-year-olds I'm related to.

    2:50 PM  
    Blogger Janga said...

    Hi, Eloisa!

    I think Simeon's virginal status is just one of many reasons that he is an extraordinary hero.

    Other virginal heroes on my favorites lists are:

    Lord Francis Middlethorp, Forbidden, Jo Beverley
    Michael MacNeil, Wild at Heart, Patricia Gaffney
    Sebastian Bonnington, Duchess in Love, Eloisa James
    Simon Malmain, Earl of Falconer , Stolen Magic, Mary Jo Putney
    Camden Saybrook, Private Arrangements, Sherry Thomas

    2:53 PM  
    Anonymous Laforesta said...

    Hi Eloisa! :)

    I can't wait to start reading When the Duke Returns! :) I'm trying to be good and waiting until after my final exams, but knowing me, I'll devour the whole thing during my Thanksgiving break!

    If we're talking male virgins, we can't forget Sebastian Bonnington from your Duchess quartet! I loved his and Esme's story and how it developed throughout all four books in the series. Esme's reaction was priceless-from "What's wrong with you???!!!" to "Ooohhh, this could be fun!" ;)

    The only other male virgin that I can think of is William Chandler from Jude Devereaux's Invitation. It's part of her massive Chandler/Montgomery clan saga. It's also a younger man/older woman story, which is also something you don't read everyday in romance. I really liked it because instead even though the heroine Jackie, is more experienced, she also has some learning and growing to do, just like William.

    3:01 PM  
    Blogger Kim said...

    Hey Quills! Man, do I miss the days when you used to hijack SquawkRadio. Those were some hilarious blogs.

    hmm, my favorite virgin heroes? Simeon! I love When the Duke Returns:D

    Jamie from Outlander is my second fav. You definitely should give it another shot.

    As for famous books I haven't read, Loretta Chase's Lord of Scoundrels. I finally chased down a copy but haven't had the time to start it. I need to!

    3:52 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Hi!

    I loved Outlander and if I recall correctly Jamie could kiss like the devil but had never done the deed.

    In defense of Twilight - get through the 1st book so you know the characters, books 2-4 are much better, plus it's such quick reading. The thing about Edward is that he is the ultimate bad boy. He could kill Bella, would like to, but is such a gentleman despite it all. Edward avoids the male virgin draw back because he's 100 something years old, when you've seen that much humanity it's got to give you an edge.

    That could work for a non-imortal too - someone who is so focused on business or academics that they can't be bothered by love, or even lust. Plus that guy would be smart and driven and avoid the completely "nice guy" label.

    Zeusly

    4:02 PM  
    Blogger PJ said...

    Hi All! Eloisa, if you're the only person who has never finished Outlander, I must be the only one who has never started it. One of these years...

    I adore Simeon! He's a wonderful hero and I loved that he and Isidore met each other on a level playing field, so to speak. You've written such a terrific story for them. Other fav virgin heroes are your Sebastian Bonnington and Sin MacAllister from Kinley MacGregor's BORN IN SIN.

    4:30 PM  
    Blogger Terry said...

    I love John Cusack, great comparison for a hero, but the virgin part.....hmmmm how can that be if he's that hot?

    4:41 PM  
    Blogger Elizabeth Guest said...

    Welcome to RWQ, Eloise. Great blog! Great opening to WHEN THE DUKE RETURNS!

    Add me to the list of those who haven't quite gotten around to reading Outlander yet. Maybe one of these days... :-)

    Yep, I miss those squawking chickens, too. Although, that said, it has meant more of those Green Ghosts for the Quills!

    ~EG

    4:48 PM  
    Blogger ChrisTina said...

    Hello, Eloisa
    Love the opening lines. Perhaps because it's Monday -- just can't wrap my head around the virgin hero...could be an age factor. LOVE your books, though, and anxiously awaiting my chance to read your latest!
    Chris H

    5:05 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Hm. If we are talking about what teh first experience actually ends up like--not why hero got to age X a virgin--here are at least 3:
    1) Hero has an embarasing and inadequate first experience leading to problems with hero (There is a Balogh like this, can't remember the name, where the heroine--the wife--basicallyo makes such fun of him that he can't complete the act or at least won't repeat it--so ultimately she pretends to be an opera dancer he wants to make his mistress adn becomes his mistress for a while--always in the dark. )
    2) Hero and heroine are both virgins and they eplore together--not necessarily great but emotional first time--I have never read this but often think it would be a really good one
    3) Hero has what is for him a wonderful first time...can imagine many scenarios depending on heroine's experience....
    Deb

    6:36 PM  
    Blogger Kristi said...

    I'm not really sure why a hero couldn't end up as a virgin...Ok, so if he's an older guy, 35+, I would start to raise eyebrows about his sex drive.

    But he could be overly conscientious about "spreading his seed" and all that.

    And there is plenty of experience to be had without going *there* with a dozen mistresses before meeting Miss Right.

    I'd love a story with a virgin male to go along with a heroine of whatever experience :) If I wanted a cookie-cutter romance, I'd just re-read the same 3 books over and over again!

    8:28 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Sorry to see this so late, but there are a bunch of romances with guys who are virgins. Body and Soul by Anne McAllister is my favorite. Susan Napier has at least one, and maybe more books with male virgins (I wish I could remember the title of my favorite -- there's a great scene with a fur coat and flowered panties and not much else on an elevator).

    I'm also pretty sure at least one of Mary Balogh's books has an inexperienced hero, if not more. As I recall, Dominic in Web of Love was a virgin or of limited experience, as was the hero in Gentle Conquest, although it is a long time since I read those books and I may be wrong.

    11:38 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Found the scribbled list:

    Body and Soul by McAllister (religion and other complications keep the hero out of circulation)

    Ain't Misbehaving' by Jeanne Grant (medical misadventures during adolescence)

    Secret Admirer by Susan Napier (rejecting abusive father's values)

    These books all have some very funny moments. The historicals I've read with inexperienced males weren't intended to be as funny.

    11:56 PM  
    Blogger Stella said...

    Luverly blog. Thanks. I dunno what the best male firgin romance is out there. Are there any male virgins--after all, all that sinning in the mind has got to wear down little things like virginity.

    Love Eloisa's new cover.

    Stella

    12:50 AM  
    Anonymous Eloisa said...

    hi everybody!

    I had to run off to the city yesterday and I came back to find you're all popping comments like mad!

    So first of all, thank you to everyone who said they're excited about the book pubbing today--hurrah! I'm excited too. and nervous. ug. I always feel a honeymoon period with a book where I feel that it's impossible that anyone could dislike my perfect little baby -- and then negative comments come in and I settle back into reality. My books tend to be flash points: love 'em or hate 'em.

    Janga, as always you put us all to shame with your organized and thorough knowledge of the genre.

    Deb, that sounds like an absolutely wild Balogh. Does anyone else recognize that plot (wife embarrasses husband so much he can't continue?). I'd love to read that.

    And Stella, thanks for the shout-out on my cover! I can't say (ahem) that I'm exactly sure why the heroine is holding that mask, given as there isn't a masquerade, but what the heck -- it sure is pretty!

    Eloisa

    And Deb

    4:42 AM  
    Anonymous Eloisa said...

    I don't think that anyone's come up with the reason why Simeon doesn't sleep with anyone until he returns home to England...

    Eloisa

    4:43 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I'm glad that several people have now mentioned Bonnington from the "Duchess Quartet," he is my favorite virgin hero. I'll put his reason for virginity behind door 1.

    1) A strict upbringing that is based on a very rigid code of morals. I'll put all things religious and philosophical behind this door.

    2) Physical or emotional trauma - as has been described by others in these comments.

    3) Fear of disease. In historical romances, STDs would be incurable.

    9:05 AM  
    Blogger Kasey said...

    Is it because he is already promised/married to Isidore and he wants to remain faithful?

    9:10 AM  
    Anonymous AgTigress said...

    Eloisa said:
    'I know I'm the only person in the world who never made it through Outlander..'

    Not so! ;-)

    10:32 AM  
    Anonymous Eloisa said...

    Well, Simeon's reasoning actually falls under one of the most recent Anonymous postings!

    And hi, AgTigress! I guess we should both take another shot at it someday, given how many people love it.

    Eloisa

    11:29 AM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    Eloisa: Thanks, again, for making things interesting here at RWQ! Great blog and a lively conversation.

    And congratulations to the winners of the five copies of The Desperate Duchesses books. I've posted them at the top of your blog with instructions for forwarding their contact information so that they can receive their prizes.

    Happy Thanksgiving, Everyone!

    --Jayne

    1:46 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    The Balogh I was referring to was Gentle Conquest. Unfortunately it seems to start at $39 on Alibris...
    Deb
    And I can't remember if he can't complete the act or just never wants to repeat it...which is why she has to pretend to be someone else, that he's paying, and therefore can feel comfortable with.

    7:16 PM  
    Anonymous Eloisa said...

    I'll definitely keep an eye out for Gentle Conquest!

    And everyone... it was such a pleasure hanging out with you. I hope you all have a magnificent turkey waiting for you (if you're delighted by that bird)...

    Eloisa

    3:44 AM  

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