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  • Thursday, July 09, 2009

    What is it about a continuing series?


    I just finished writing the nineteenth story in a continuing series, (big sigh of relief here!!!) and I've been thinking about a pivotal scene I wrote in Wolf Tales 10, between an ongoing character and a new one—my über alpha and pack leader, Anton Cheval and Liana, the goddess who was supposed to watch over the Chanku, but who failed at her job so badly she was kicked out of her immortal realm. Now she's forced to learn how to live as a mortal woman.

    During the interaction between Anton and Liana, I found myself slipping into their dialogue almost as if I were channeling two real people. I knew exactly what Anton would say because I've been writing his lines now for five years, but everything that came out of Liana's mouth was a surprise. I learned more about her during their conversation than when I originally developed the character, while with Anton, the fact that his responses were exactly what I expected gave me a deep sense of satisfaction.

    And of course, this made me think about how many of us write an ongoing series. I think all of the Quills have written or are writing a continuing series—I just read Stella's Cyprus Nights and definitely need to hunt for more of her stories set in Toussaint, LA, loved Elizabeth's Blue Smoke and Murder and I want more about the folks at St. Kilda's Consulting. I'm doing better with Susan's latest—after reading Cutting Loose, I was on the lookout for Bending the Rules and read that one last night. It's wonderful, by the way and I'll be watching for the next one. And of course, anyone who gets my newsletter has heard me rave about Jayne's Arcane Society stories—so cool to connect the concept through three different series under three separate pseudonyms! Every one's a keeper, and I'm always on the lookout for the next. Lori's done a number of connected books—I think I have just about every book she's written, though her fighters are among my favorites, (I loved Causing Havoc!) but then, so are her books as L.L. Foster—and once I read one, I HAVE to have all the others.

    My husband made an interesting observation tonight. He said when he reads a stand alone novel, he's almost always depressed when he finishes because he's got an investment in the characters, and when the book is done, it's like the time he invested in getting to know them is lost. (Of course, he doesn't read romances, and that's probably why he's depressed when the book ends, but we don't need to get into THAT argument!) For me it's the continuity, the fact that the settings, the characters, the world the author creates, are familiar and in many ways comforting.

    I love getting to know characters, watching them evolve and change as the stories progress. My Wolf Tales lead character, Anton Cheval, for instance, is not a perfect man, yet he's one who will readily admit his failings and always strives to do better. When he really screws up, we all know that his beloved Keisha will straighten him out. I've been surprised by the number of notes I've gotten from readers who want to see more of Anton, which makes me wonder what it is about reading stories with an ongoing character. What is it that keeps your interest?

    Is it the familiarity, or maybe the connection to a particular character that makes you want to know more about their fictional lives? Of course, therein lies the problem—after writing about Anton for the past five years, he's become more flesh and blood than I ever expected. He and Stefan and their mates, Keisha and Xandi, are old friends to me now, and with each new character I've added to the series, I see the circle growing wider until I have familiar voices and faces staring at me each time I sit down to write. Is this a good thing or bad? Each one of them is an individual to me, but am I kidding myself to think that the same characters will continue to hold reader interest?

    Is there a point where a series gets too long? My publisher keeps asking for more in the same world, and I'm wondering if that's a good thing or not? So far the demand for more books is holding, but at what point is enough enough? Of course, I'm convinced I'll need therapy when Wolf Tales ends—but I don't want to make my readers crazy, along with me!

    Anyway, totally off topic but kind of on—here's the newer cover for my next Wolf Tales. We've officially lost the Roman Numerals and gone to Arabic, but I think this is one of the best covers I've had so far and I really wanted to share!

    And, for any of you in the Washington, DC area, the RWA National conference will be held there next week. A bunch of us will be signing books Wednesday night July 15 at the Marriott Wardman Hotel from 5:30-7:30—Jayne, Lori, Stella and Susan—right? (And if I'm wrong, please correct me!) and a few hundred others of our closest author friends...

    22 Comments:

    Blogger Carrie said...

    Hey Kate,

    I think you nailed it on the head when you said that Anton became more flesh and blood and you did so well on the characters that people want more.

    People always want things to continue. I wanted Charmed to go on and on, or at least sort of phase it over so that we could see older Wyatt, Chris and the rest of that clan continue to fight evil, but they ended it.

    Another popularity with reading about characters you know, is that there's no continual character or setting set-up because it's already been done in the first novel. It's all about reading to see what the characters are up to.

    Why do we not want it to end with the marriage and the kids? Because life itself doesn't stop with marriage and kids, it changes, gets better and in some cases gets worse, but either way it goes on.

    Of course having a nice place to get away to that we can count on for being what we know is a huge bonus in a sea of uncertainty.

    That's my take on it anyway!

    Hope everyone enjoys the conference!

    Carrie (from Wisconsin)

    11:20 AM  
    Anonymous Gram said...

    Why did they quit using roman numerals? Is it because no one knows what they are anymore? and why don't they! I think that people love continuing stories, they (and I) feel they know these people. I have just started re-reading Helen MacInnes and even though she wrote stand alones her people become dear to you, as do all the people in the Quills.!!!

    3:23 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I like series books. There are 3 that I currently read, one by J.D. Robb the In Death series, and 2 by Laurell K. Hamilton, The Anita Blake Vampire Hunter and Meredith Gentry series. I love all three and alway eagerly await thenext installment. I have so much invested in all the main characters, and I can't wait to see what happens to them next.

    Like your Anton, the characters in these series are so real to me now, that they have become old friends and I love seeing what messes they get into with each installment and how they manage to extricate themselves.

    I haven't had a chance to read your Wolf Tales yet, but they are on my reader radar to start.

    Kathy H.

    3:53 PM  
    Blogger Kate Douglas said...

    Hi Carrie...just got in the door after shopping all day, but I agree. There's that sense of continuity that just feels good!

    Gram, so true. I get really attached to various characters in series.

    Kathy, I haven't read any of JD Robb's or Laurell K's books. Really need to add them to my list, because they are so popular they must be good. Thanks for the reminder!

    Interesting...my word verification is "blogr!"

    4:07 PM  
    Blogger susan andersen said...

    I adore series. That said, some have gone stale on me. Not romance, usually, where most feature new characters with guest appearances by h/hs of the previous books. I am tired however of some of the series featuring continuing characters. When I start to feel as if I've read the same situation too many times, I usually wander away. Ths Stephanie Plum series comes to mind. How many cars can Stef and Lula blow up?

    Reading is so subjective, though, that I realize what has quit working for me isn't necessarily true for another reader.

    RE:national, I'm not going to DC this summer. Will be in Nashville next year, though.

    6:49 PM  
    Blogger Paula R said...

    Hey Kate, the thing that keeps me reading about particular characters in a series is the fact that I feel like I have come to know them intimately, and am thoroughly invested in their lives as well as those who interact with them. I feel like your husband when I read a stand alone book...if I fall in love with the characters I want to continue reading about their lives, just to see how things are going...reading a book in a series is like catching up on your real live friends...Robyn's books are like that for me...when I am reading about Mel and Jack, Doc June and Jim, I know that I will be reconnecting with my friends...sounds weird, but that is how I feel. If a series I love ends, I am usually very depressed, and I cry if someone I love dies...it is like someone in my family is gone...told you it was weird...

    Kate, you will love Eve Dallas...you should definitely read the in Death series...they are worth it...

    Kathy H., you should try Gena Showalter's Lord of the Underworld series too...some other authors that have great series are Carly Phillips, Janelle Denison, Leslie Kelly, of course Nora Roberts is up there too...I like the Stephanie Plum series by Janet Evanovich as well...I read hers when I want light banter and a lot of humor...the antics Stephanie does and the trouble she gets into is hilarious...

    Peace and love,
    Paula R.

    6:49 PM  
    Blogger Paula R said...

    Julie Leto also has some great series, as does Sheryl Woods, Linda Lael Miller and Susan Wiggs...and we can't forget Robyn Carr and J.R. Ward...

    Susan, I sometimes feel like that about Stephanie, but what I realize is that I need to space out my reading of the series...I love to read a series straight through, but I can't do that with this particular one...I totally understand where you are coming from...it does seem to get stale the way I read them...I am trying to read the books every 6 months now rather one after the other...I still find them very funny...whenever I need a laugh, I read about Stephanie and her indecisiveness...she really gets herself into some interesting situations...

    Peace and love,
    Paula R.

    6:54 PM  
    Blogger lachery said...

    I love series. I'm a huge fan of J.R. Ward, Nalini Singh, Christine Feehan and of course your books too; just to name a few.

    For me, its an emotional investment. The journeys the characters take as the reader I am right there with them experiencing all the highs & lows. Because of this I like to call the characters "friends in my head."

    I am in agreement with your husband, no matter how the happily ever after (HEA) occurs, if the book is a stand alone I feel disappointed. Just because the story ends I still want to know what happens to them next, like life, it continues...crazy, huh?

    La Wanda

    7:44 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Hi Kate, another great blog yet again. I tend to feel that on going series are more interesting because you get a chance to grow with the characters, and over time you can get attached to certain ones that they seem almost like family. With each of your books, after reading it, I can't wait till the next one, just to see what happens with Anton, Stefan etc. even though the series has gone on, you have been able to continue to give us new thrilling storylines without repeating yourself, and that amazes me. Anton has never said the same thing twice, as far as i can remember. His character alone facinates me because he is arrogant, yet can admit his insecurities. Then there are the characters you love to hate, and yes, there is one in the series that I never got close to, I always felt she didn't mesh with the others. You know who it is , I know you feel the same about her. Please keep it going as long as possible, we all get so much pleasure out of the Chanku! And the cover for 9 is HOT! Have a great time in D.C.!

    8:32 PM  
    Blogger Suzanne V said...

    I enjoy series very much. I agree that a single title that you get so engrossed in and then it ends is a little depressing. Kate, your descriptive writing style is so good that I now have a complete picture of all the Wolf Tales characters including the newer ones. I have read EVERY Wolf Tales installment including the novellas in the Sexy Beast anthologies and as I read a new installment I can picture in my mind all the scenes as I read them. I will continue to read Wolf Tales even when you get to Wolf Tales 50. So please don't stop or give up on these characters.

    8:33 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I love a series. In fact, you could probably ask a total stranger on the street, "what would you say Lynne likes best in books", and they would answer,"Well, Kate, I would say she likes a good series best". I love the connectedness, the extended contact with characters, their growth, their expanded emotional commitment to me as a reader (I know, I know, but to me it seems to be happening), and the blossoming of the plot lines and supporting characters around them. I appreciate the involvement of the author who has committed to stick with these characters until the very end. After all, how easy would it be for the author to just say the story was done and move on to a different world entirely. Why bother to create a world if you aren't going to use it. Look how long it took Anne McCaffrey to use up Pern. I don't believe Jayne will ever use up Harmony, Victorian England, or Eclipse Bay. And Stella has the richness of the Louisianna Bayou which can withstand even hurricanes, while EL has the entire desert Southwest. Oh, and Suzie completely rocks the PNW with its Apple Maggot Quarantine signs and coffee stands. Lori OWNS Kentucky. And you, Kate, bring us the fantasmagorical beloved beauty and the beast on an elemental level. Whatever you are all doing...don't, for heaven's sake, stop.

    Lynne Thomas

    11:43 PM  
    Blogger Kate Douglas said...

    Hi Susan--gonna miss you at nationals, m'dear! I've never read Stephanie Plum, but I can tell you I haven't lost interest in any of your series! Now, if I could just find Coming Undone, I'd be a happy camper!

    Paula, I agree 100%, and I am SO HOOKED on Robyn Carr's Virgin River series that I can't wait for the next book!!!

    La Wanda, we read the same authors! I am so hooked on JR Ward and just started Christine Feehan's newest Drake Sisters novel. Haven't read Nalini Singh, but keep hearing her name and will have to check her out. Thank you.

    Thanks, Anonymous, aka Christine! LOL...m'thinks you know who doesn't make it through WT10! And thank you for the well wishes. I'm almost packed.

    Oh LORDY, Suzanne...Wolf Tales 50? LOL...actually, I think that's why the numbers changed from Roman Numerals to Arabic. My editor used to make jokes, in the very beginning of the series, about Wolf Tales XXX. She had no idea how well the series would do, and I think as the numerals got longer and shades of that triple X title became more of a reality, she panicked! Regular numbers are easier to keep track of, and don't make the title as cumbersome, though. And thank you so much for your very kind words!

    Lynne, thank you so much--I definitely agree on the sense of connection. As an author, we have a really powerful connection to our characters, literally the power of life and death over them, and a strong responsibility to our readers. It's a really amazing feeling. They become part of our extended family after awhile.

    9:20 AM  
    Anonymous Jan said...

    Aloha Kate,

    I so understand what Hunk is talking about. I even hate an ending to a series. It's very depressing and I do not like being left hanging. I've even been known to be...oh, slightly infuriated when I watch series that come to an abrupt ending enough to write nasty letters to the networks that choose not to renew. *blinking innocently*

    Sure I can imagine what happens to the characters I've fallen in love with but the whole reason for falling in love is because I love what the author has been writing about for all these years.

    I was perturbed when I heard one author talk about how in the past, publishers didn't think book series would work! Um... hello???

    Of course, I love the Chanku and want to know everything about them. I find it the same for any series I love like Sherrilyn's Dark Hunters or Nalini's Psy characters (and you must get those books). And I'm HOOKED on L.L. Foster's Gabrielle series.

    The only trouble is... waiting a LONG LONG time before the next book comes out! Lol!

    And I do look forward to Wolf Tales XXX. :-) And uh, so you think we are sane, do you?

    10:24 AM  
    Blogger Stella Cameron said...

    Kate: You write excellent blogs and this is one more of the same. Thanks.

    That last question of Jan's sums things up nicely:... so you think we're sane, do you?

    Starting with Enid Blyton as a little kid I've read series books all my life. All sorts of series.

    Why would you think readers are getting tired of WOLF TALES? Wow, knock that off!

    There are two scenarios that upset me as a reader. The first is when a series that makes me feel as if I'm going home with each new book stops. The second is when I feel the writer has lost interest in his or her people and is just going through the motions. Some can pull that off and we don't really notice, but I don't think it's a good idea.

    I enjoy stand alone books, but I also close some books at the end and wish I could know more about what happens to the characters.

    For a little while after I start a new series I feel contented to leave an older world behind. But I miss the people and want to go back. Maybe that's the answer--at least for me--to leave the doors open in my mind and be willing to return when the doorbells are driving me nuts. Um, sorry, that should be more nuts.

    I'm have a wonderful time with the COURT OF ANGELS books but I'm not done with Toussaint or Pointe Judah and in my dreams I still want to return to Mayfair Square.

    Fiction is folks and I want to hang on to all the folks I care about.

    Stella

    1:15 PM  
    Blogger still karibear said...

    I’ve read series of all kinds since I was little. I still prefer them to stand alones, but it depends on the writers. What makes me most crazy is when a series begins just great, there are several books, then suddenly the editor or publisher decides for whatever reason they don’t want to continue with it. I really, really want to know what happened to Justin and Lawe Donovan, for instance. There are several other series that were cut off in the same way - it’s both frustrating and disconcerting for a reader who is expecting a certain number of books at a minimum to suddenly find that they aren’t going to be there. The only series I can think of that I truly ended up not liking and quit reading before it came to an end was the Wagons West - then I discovered that the ‘author’ name was copyrighted and after the first few, the books were written by a variety of writers, many of whom had apparently not bothered to read the beginning. In that one instance, there just wasn’t any real continuity or connection to previous books.

    As for the Pern books someone else mentioned, I am a bone-deep fan of anything McCaffrey writes, and it seems like her son will be able to continue the series indefinitely. Not really surprising, since he grew up with them and worked with her on some of them. I wish the same could be said of the Darkover books. Creating a world that continues to evolve results in as many possibilities as there are in our own world.

    The only series I liked that I sort of burned out on was the People series by the Gears. After half a dozen or so, I just couldn’t handle any more, even though they are all well-written and researched. Someday I’ll get back to the ones I missed.

    1:51 PM  
    Blogger Kate Douglas said...

    Jan, I so agree with you on being "left hanging," though when a series goes off track, I think it's just as painful. I used to LOVE LOST, and then, well...it just lost me! The same can happen with books when an author burns out on a series. So far, I'm still so curious what's coming next in Wolf Tales that I've not grown remotely tired of my Chanku, and Kensington has been great about keeping them coming--and keeping the old ones in print. That's been very cool!

    Thank you, Stella and, uhm, any use of any word referring to sanity is merely, uh...well...nope. Won't go there. If a book is a good one, I ALWAYS want to know what happens to the characters, and while I know they're fictional, I get so horribly attached to them that I just need more. LOL...no, I'm fine. REALLY I am...but you're right about starting a new one and thinking you can leave the old one behind. I discovered that when I wrote my first Demon Slayers story. I put my Chanku completely out of my mind to get into the new world, but before the book was finished I was already missing all my shapeshifters! Now that I've finished the latest Wolf Tales, I've been wondering about my demon slayers and what they're up to! (I know--fickle. Just plain fickle...)

    Karibear, unfortunately, the author rarely has control over a publisher who gives up on their series. Those are all marketing decisions, in most cases, and I imagine can be really frustrating. The one thing I've asked my editor is for them to give me warning when/if they decide to end the series so that I can write a final book that would tie things up. I'm not there, yet!

    I'm with you on the Pern series, and am a long time McCaffrey fan. I was thrilled when Annie wrote to me and said she read Wolf Tales--in her words, she said, "I want my own Ulrich!" Ulrich is one of my older reoccurring heroes. She gave me a great quote that's on the front of WTVIII and 9. What's really cool is that she's still writing--I believe she's 82 now. Talk about a wonderful role model!

    4:35 PM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    Kate, VERY sexy cover and they both look old enough to vote. Congratulations. And, hot dang, you made it out of Roman Numerals.

    Can't wait for the book.

    --Jayne

    7:50 PM  
    Blogger Kate Douglas said...

    LOL...yeah, just barely, but at least they're not "teenagers in love!" Gotta love those Roman numerals, though...but the next one would be "Wolf Tales X" and I just don't think the editor was ready to go there! Thanks, Jayne! Packing my bags and getting ready to head to DC. We're going to SF Monday night and flying out early Tuesday...and I JUST KNOW I'll forget something important...

    8:01 PM  
    Blogger Lori Foster said...

    Hey Kate,
    Man, I'm so flattered! I just read your wonderful compliment about my books. THANK YOU.
    I started writing series because I love to read them! I got hooked on romance with Johanna Lindsey's Mallory clan, and Catherine Coulter's many historical trilogies, and Linda Howard's Mackenzie men...
    You nailed it for me: it's that investment in the characters, and how we hate to let them go.

    Imo, if your editor is asking for more, and your muse is cooperating, give her more! Trust me, the publisher will be the first to let you know if the series is starting to dwindle in popularity - and obviously yours isn't! I admire your stamina. LOL. That's a lot of books in one world, but hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it!
    You go girl!!!

    Lori

    5:55 AM  
    Blogger Kate Douglas said...

    Thank you, Lori--my compliment is very sincerely meant. You have no idea how many hours of enjoyment your books have given me for so many years!! I have a horrible time trying to figure out which of your series are my favorites, but went back to my keeper shelf and realized the ones I've read the words off of are the group with the cute names: Just a Hint, Clint, Say No to Joe, When Bruce Met Cyn...I think there are five but I never could figure out the name of the series! LOVE those books!!!

    And I know you're right. The publisher will DEFINITELY let me know if things start to slide--as will the readers!

    6:09 AM  
    Blogger Lori Foster said...

    Kate, we're both up early and emailing, huh? LOL
    I think readers call that the Visitation series. I never think ahead enough to name a series. I just write books that sort of turn into series. Very shortsighted of me, I know. :-)
    My "then" editor, Kate Duffy, named all of those books. I suck at titling things. REALLY suck. So I leave it to the experts.

    I hope to grab one of your books at RWA -signed of course - so I can start catching up. This has been the craziest year for me and my reading time has suffered.

    Can't wait to see you and the others in DC!!!

    Lori

    6:22 AM  
    Blogger Kate Douglas said...

    Lori, I would have slept in but a 4 a.m. earthquake said otherwise! I guess it wants me to get used to eastern time, eh? I'll see you Wednesday if not before. We're getting in late Tuesday.

    Travel safely!

    7:58 PM  

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