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    Thursday, October 22, 2009

    HEA - or the "Happy Ever After"

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    As I was sitting in front of my computer, taxing my brain trying to come up with a topic for my blog, I got an email from Karen D., telling me that she and others had debated the Happy Ever After at a forum.

    She asked, "Is marriage the only acceptable outcome for an HEA, or are other options acceptable these days? Like maybe someone is stuck married to another who lives in a country/religion that doesn't recognize or allow divorce, can that someone find happiness in a long term relationship?"

    Great question - especially as a topic for a blog.

    My answer to her: I’m not an author who believes in hard, fast rules. To me, there is any number of happy endings, depending on the skill of the author to deliver it in a believable way. I never say never... there are just too many innovative storytellers out there. So my answer is no, marriage is not the only HEA.

    Used to be, the HEA involved a damsel in distress, a charming prince who saved her, and fairytale weddings. But... these days? Not so much anymore, at least not in fiction.

    I've seen stories where the heroine saved the hero, or where they saved each other.

    And of course, there are plenty of books where no one is in physical peril; the characters are on an emotional journey to find love.

    Ages ago, a favorite author of mine disappointed me with her ending of a romance. The characters were married, but the hero was so arrogant and obnoxious, that I didn't want them to be.
    I almost wrote off that author.

    Then Stella Cameron was visiting for one of our local conferences. She and I were riding in the backseat of someone's car, and she recommended to me a different book by that author.

    I told her that, thanks to the last one, I wasn't interested. She was insistent, as Stella can be, and because I trust her, I read the recommended book - and LOVED IT.
    It's remains one of my all time faves.

    A few years later, after several more books by that particular author, I reread the book that had disappointed me, and I had a totally different reaction to it. That second time, I kind of liked the ending. It suited the characters, and I found subtleties that I hadn't noticed in the first read.


    Back when "Kill Bill 1 and 2" was released in theaters, I LOVED both movies. The concept of a feature length film that was only partially resolved in the first movie inspired me. I wrote JUDE'S LAW. The romance was wrapped up in that book, and they knew who the bad guy was, but they hadn't yet caught him.


    In MURPHY'S LAW, the sequel, there was another romance with characters who were secondary in the first book, and the carry-over plot was resolved.

    But some readers were not amused. They were more than furious that I hadn't demolished the bad guy by the end of the first book. I guess they didn't have the same fascination with Kill Bill that I had. :::grin::: I got a fair share of letters on those books, let me tell you. The HEA that I provided, which covered the romance, wasn't the HEA that they expected.

    I'm finding that in romance, expectations are the driving force. If you're going to have anything different, then be sure to let readers know right there on the cover of the book, so that they start reading with knowledge of what will be different.
    In hindsight, it makes sense to me.

    Many, many times, when critics have tried to pigeonhole romance I've insisted that the only set "rules" are: romance, and a HEA. But just as society has changed, can the definition of "romance" and the "HEA" change too?

    What works for us is, sometimes, largely dependent on where we are in life, our changing perspectives, and societal influences. Our views aren't static, so romance, and especially HEAs, can't be static. We change, so they must change.

    For the most part, I like to see characters in a traditional marriage, promising love everlasting both emotionally, and legally. But I don't HAVE to have that. If an author can make me a believer in whatever way she circumvents marriage, then I'm with her.

    What about you?

    Have you read any books that did not have the traditional HEA that you still loved?
    That you hated?

    Are you okay with characters living together indefinitely, committed to each other, but not legally bound?

    With all the paranormal books out there, can you buy into a HEA with a paranormal being, like a ghost, shape shifter, etc..?

    Hollywood romances are often not based on marriage. Do you think that could influence the book industry?

    I'm curious about your take on the HEA - and maybe it'll help someone else in a future debate on a forum. LOL


    All my best to you,


    LORI
    aka
    L. L. FOSTER
    http://www.lorifoster.com/














    31 Comments:

    Blogger Brit Blaise said...

    For not having an idea what to write about...you did a wonderful job!

    Good write.

    >What works for us is, sometimes, largely dependent on where we are in life, our changing perspectives, and societal influences.<

    This is so true. The last three years have be punctuated by the deaths of my mother and father, followed by my daughter's cancer. Some days I hang by a thread. My perception of HEA has done a 180.
    As long as the author can give that "sigh" good-feeling at the end of the story, I don't care if the characters get married.

    6:01 AM  
    Blogger Lori Foster said...

    Oh Brit, I am so sorry to hear about your daughter. I can't imagine. My heart goes out to you in a very big way.

    Lori

    6:07 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I am fine with characters not being legally bound. I don't feel I will ever be married..at this point its just a personal choice as a result of things in my past. But I feel I can be really happy living with or being in a relationship with someone..without being married to them.

    I do think Hollywood romances could influence the book industry. There are a few romances that seem to be long lasting and seem a bit storybook like. Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russel come to mind.

    Shana

    6:35 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    These days I find that I want "Happy ever after" that´s emotionally satisfying but also realistic and believeable. At twenty a proposal would have done the trick, but no longer. Now I want the romance to be realistic as well and based on equality between both parties. But having said that I still love some of the old stories that I read in my twenties because they have humor, wit, and yeah, emotionally satisfying ending, even if they are, how shall I put it, less than politically correct these days.

    Sirry

    9:10 AM  
    Blogger Vicky said...

    Honestly, I've always been rather amused with the fact that romance authors feel the need to have the characters get married at the end. I'm not saying it's cheesy or anything, but it always happens. I think it's ok not to have that. I am an avid reader of Lora Leigh's Breed series, and the characters at the end never get married, but they are bound physically because they are mates, and I like that. Honestly, as long as the characters are together and happy, I'm ok with it.

    9:18 AM  
    Blogger Lisa Cooke said...

    Hi Lori--Good topic. I'm not sure how I feel about the marriage issue. I think it depends on the setting. Historicals kind of need the wedding (I think) because it was more expected in the time period. Contemporaries, not so much. I want the H/h to be together and commited, but not necessarily married.

    As for not resolving a secondary conflict in book one of a series, your experience worries me. I'm getting ready to do the same thing in a series I'm working on. LOL (Maybe I need to reconsider)
    Lisa

    9:32 AM  
    Blogger elizabeth said...

    If the author convinces me that these characters have enough going for them that they'll be together in the future, that's good enough for me. Depends entirely on the characters. That is to say, on the author. ;-)

    11:29 AM  
    Anonymous LuAnn McLane said...

    I've always loved romance because of the HEA but for me it doesn't have to mean marriage, but the possibility of a future together. Romance is more about hope and faith that love will win against all odds.

    12:21 PM  
    Blogger Lori Foster said...

    Shana, I'm betting some guy comes along and takes you completely by surprise! Bet he'll be a doggie lover too. ;-)

    Sirry, we all see things differently at 20, don't we?

    Vicky, that's what I meant about the wonderful paranormal novels have a different take on things! Thanks for giving a good example.

    Happy Friday all!

    Lori

    12:45 PM  
    Blogger Mary said...

    I'm fine with couples in books not being legally married. Like in the Dark Series by Christine Feehan, the male Carpathian says some ritual words and they are spiritually bound together, which I actually really love because they have found their true mates.

    I love papranormal HEA after books because it takes the imagination to a whole new level.

    12:46 PM  
    Blogger Lori Foster said...

    Lisa, you are SO right about the differences between contemporaries and historicals, what is and isn't acceptable for the time period. Too true!
    Good luck on your series. I've found that I regularly annoy readers, and regularly get new readers. It's sort of a trade off. LOL

    EL, that's how I feel - if the author does her job, she can make me believe in just about anything!

    LuAnn, I'm with you. I want to believe that they're working together and can make each other happy - that's the biggest thing.
    Heck, for all the gay and lesbian romances, marriage isn't even a possibility.

    HUGS!

    Lori

    12:47 PM  
    Blogger susan andersen said...

    I want an understanding between the hero and heroine by the end of the book and a sense that this relationship will continue to grow, that the love will become deeper and the commitment stronger. If the arc of their relationship all takes place within a short period in the book it seems more realistic to me that they aren't rushing off to get married, but that the reader gets the sense that it's likely or at least a possibility for the future.

    1:30 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Since Susan stole my reply, I'll just say "yeh,what she said". I agree that the book has to leave us with hope. That's the best HEA.
    Well said, Suze.

    Lynne Thomas

    3:07 PM  
    Blogger Judy F said...

    Me too with Suze. LOL

    I don't have to have marriage. Just the posibility that they are working towards something. Whether its marriage or growing together towards a future.

    3:13 PM  
    Anonymous Lou said...

    Yep - what Susan said. I need to think they have a future together however that future may play out.

    I have been reminded that it is Mole Day today. So here's to Talpianna, good friend of AgTigress and RQW.

    May she rest in peace...

    5:37 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Lori, love your novels! I like HEA s. To me the author usuaiiy sets up the outcome of the story by leaving clues throughout the novel. It's usually not a surprise when the couple gets together. In romantic suspense usually there are two strong personalities which makes it more of a challenge to see them together forever. It's all good, however. In mystery novels you have to wait until the very last page to see if the detective will commit and most times he doesn't. All well!!

    6:31 PM  
    Blogger Catherine said...

    Hi Lori
    HEA-I've never really thought about it, other than--I expect one. Marriage or "forever together" either works. I read for enjoyment, coming to the end and finding out the h/h aren't together? To me, I just wasted a lot of time.
    btw--Can't wait for "Back in Black"!!

    Catherine

    8:39 PM  
    Blogger JT said...

    When I was in my teens and early twenties, I had ridiculous requirements for my romance reading. The hero and heroine had to be younger than a certain age, the heroine had to be a virgin (especially for historicals) and no ex-spouses, children, essentially no past baggage. And the traditional HEA was absolutely necessary. I start reading my novels from the back. I only bought them if I was satisfied all requirements had been met. I guess it was no surprise that it takes me hours in the bookstore and most days I couldn't find anything.

    Now in my thirties, most of my requirements have gone down the drain but a HEA is STILL necessary. It needn't be a marriage, but the couple has to be in some sort of relationship, and in reasonable physical proximity. I read romance novels for some escape from the harsh realities of life. I guess it is only reasonable not to find these harsh realities still haunting me in the books.

    No complaints about your books though, Lori. Murphy's Law remains one of my favourite.

    10:19 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Gotta have that HEA.

    In fact, I read the ending first to see if I want to read the book.

    That said, the HEA does not have to have all the bells and whistles of a wedding. Just have to at least imply a long and lasting relationship.

    Maybe I got spoiled in my long ago younger days when that was all that was implied.
    A kiss and a hug and "The End".

    Todays' writers are much more interesting and intriguing.

    Louis

    10:19 PM  
    Blogger Lori Foster said...

    Makes sense to me, Susan. I'm never quite sure about the committment when it's made after only a 3 day acquaintance. LOL

    Thanks Lynne! Susan did sum it up nicely. LOL

    Hi to Judy! :::waving:::

    Lou, thanks for the thoughtful comment to Talpianna.

    Happy Saturday everyone,

    Lori

    5:14 AM  
    Blogger Lori Foster said...

    Thank you, anon. It's always wonderful to hear from happy readers.

    Catherine, thank you, too. I soooo hope that readers enjoy "Back in Black!"

    Wow, JT, you DID have some requirements, didn't you? :-) We all change so much with age. Seems our outlooks soften and broaden.
    I'm thrilled to hear that you enjoyed Murphy's Law! Thank you.

    Lori

    5:17 AM  
    Blogger Lori Foster said...

    Louis, I'm so glad you think that we're more interesting now. LOL. I read books from long ago and they remain my favorites - but I can't say why. It could just be nostalgia... you know, they're the books I first started with.
    That said, I've found a lot of newer authors too that I adore.

    Hugs,

    Lori

    5:18 AM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    Great topic, Lori! I still remember the email from readers that I got after I wrote a book (AFTER DARK) in which the hero just asks the heroine out for a date. She says "Thought you'd never ask" and I wrote 'The end'.

    Boy, howdy. Never heard the end of it because I hadn't married them off. Even though I had hoped that the book would be the first book in a long-running series featuring those two characters. Turns out I'm not good at long-running series featuring the same hero/heroine. Had the same problem with my Regency "Lavinia & Tobias" books.

    Oh, well. Lots of other stuff to write.

    --J.

    7:49 PM  
    Blogger Kate Douglas said...

    Great topic, Lori, and it's made me think. I used to need marriage at the end, but I realize now that marriage isn't a requirement so much as a satisfactory conclusion to the hero and heroine's relationship. I agree that it's all about reader expectations. I learned that with my Wolf Tales series, where my characters end up as much married to the pack as to their actual mate (or mates--this is erotic romance, after all!) and yet only one couple of the many in my series has actually said wedding vows. However, it's what my readers expect and I never get complaints about the endings. I think that as long as we can close the book smiling with the way things turned out that it's got to be good.

    8:15 AM  
    Blogger Carla Neggers said...

    Great topic, Lori, and nice timing. I've been out of town for a wedding! I love a happy ending but it can take many forms, and I can read books that don't have one -- but I like to know in advance what I'm in for.

    9:22 AM  
    OpenID shilohwalker said...

    HEA is a fluid thing for me...all characters are different and the HEA that works for one isn't going to work for others.

    For some, the only HEA is marriage, a house, 2.5 kids and lots and lots of grandkids in the future.

    But for others, that won't work.

    I just want the HEA that fits the characters. That's all I need in a romance. That, and a good story.

    10:31 AM  
    Blogger Kaily Hart said...

    Great topic Lori and one that I've been thinking about as I work on my own submissions. I don't need marriage, in fact in contemporary romance with modern themes it is sometimes unrealistic to expect a marriage (particularly if the timeframe of the novel is relatively short). Who gets married these days even in the course of several months? I think if the author is successful in establishing an emotional committment that surpasses their normal relationships, it's OK. I think the book needs to be true to its time period, its characters and its themes.

    11:24 AM  
    Blogger Lori Foster said...

    Too funny, Jayne! In the blog post, I almost mentioned your duo of stories with Jonas and Verity. Two of my favorites! In the first, they don't get married, they just have an understanding. In the 2nd, they finally work things out. Jonas was incredible! One of my favorite heroes ever!

    Kate, NO ONE is complaining about your books! You're a super start.
    :-)

    Happy Sunday all!

    Lori

    1:13 PM  
    Blogger Lori Foster said...

    Hi Carla! Hope the wedding was fun.
    I think if the ending isn't going to be traditional, letting readers know what to expect is key!

    Ditto from me, Shiloh! Every book is so individual.

    Kaily, your point is well taken. That's why, in fact, when I do short novellas, I always use characters who already know each other quite well.

    Hope everyone is having a terrific day!

    Lori

    1:16 PM  
    Blogger Venus Vaughn said...

    Lori,

    that's funny you got so many complaint letters about those books. Of all the books of yours (and I'm sure I have 95% of them on my shelves) I think I enjoyed Jude's & Murphy's Law the best.

    In fact, I think when I put down Jude's Law I had the distinct thought, "I want to write like that!"

    I've never seen the Kill Bills, but you've given me some inspiration now :)

    (I have too many thoughts about HEAs to put in a comment.)

    12:20 AM  
    Blogger Lori Foster said...

    Oh Venus! The Kill Bill duo is one of my favorite movie sets. Really, really creative, awesome stuff. No romance, and lots of blood, so know what you're in for. Still, I loved them!

    Lori

    5:01 AM  

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