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  • Sunday, October 11, 2009

    Jayne and a boy named Sue


    I'm almost finished with a manuscript and I am in desperate need of a name for my hero. We're talking the last chapter of the book, mind you. The thing is, I never liked the original name that I'd picked but I couldn't find the right one and I didn't want to wait until inspiration struck. So I just started writing with a "place holder" name. Kept thinking I'd come up with a better one somewhere over the course of writing the book. Unfortunately, nothing brilliant came to mind.

    But now it's crunch time. This guy needs a name.

    Names are tricky. An unusual or difficult name stops a reader cold. I still get email from people who want to know how to pronounce Iphiginia in my old Amanda Quick title, MISTRESS. But that's nothing compared to the mail I get when I accidentally name a hero "Sue", or, rather, the equivalent.

    If you ever read the hardcover edition of WICKED WIDOW, you met a hero named Artemis Hunt. If you read the paperback edition, you knew him as Artemas Hunt. Artemis, of course, is the name of a female Greek goddess -- goddess of the hunt, fact, which only made the whole thing more ludicrous. Artemas is the masculine version of the name. Thanks to a lot of sharp-eyed readers, I was able to get the name changed for the paperback edition but, trust me, I'll never go near that name again. I admit that I'm little weak on Greek mythology and, yes, I was a huge fan of WILD, WILD WEST. But, really, it was just plain embarrassing.

    And now we have Cruz Sweetwater in OBSIDIAN PREY. How could I go wrong with a masculine-sounding name like Cruz? So hard-edged. So macho. So cool. So feminine! Aack. One of my Spanish-speaking readers wrote to tell me that Cruz is a feminine name in Spanish as in "Maria de la Cruz" or "Santa Cruz". Again, I have no excuse. I took Spanish in high school and did two more years of that beautiful language in college in a town called Santa Cruz. I am mortified.

    And just to complicate things, so many names that used to be considered masculine have become feminine in recent years: Jordan, Cameron, Ashley, Drew, Madison, etc.

    Back to choosing a name for my hero. What about you? What happens when you hit an odd or hard-to-pronounce name in a book? Does it ruin the story for you?

    56 Comments:

    Blogger elizabeth said...

    Huh. I had a hero named Cruz, and nobody complained.

    And as it means "cross," I don't get how it's female.

    But then, what do I know?

    Psssst Wanna buy a Tom Dick or Harry?

    4:26 PM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    Elizabeth: I still love the name Cruz and I still think it sounds masculine in English. But I guess this is one of those language things. As I understand it from the person who wrote to me about the issue, the name, while it does mean "cross" is usually associated with the name Maria. Hence, "Santa Cruz" instead of San Cruz. But what the heck. it's still a good name.

    4:42 PM  
    Blogger Sunny said...

    Well, I'll admit my ignorance too -- I read both Wicked Widow and Obsidian Prey, and I had no clue there was anything "off" about either name. I generally don't have problems with character names in books, unless they are utterly ridiculous. I'm sure I'll love your book whatever you decide. :)

    I also currently feel your pain in trying to come up with a good name. My husband and I are having twins in April, and not only do I have to come up with two names that sound reasonable with our last name, but they also have to sound good with each other. It was hard enough with our son -- we didn't settle on the rather uncreative (but fabulous) "Daniel" until he was already born. Somehow, 9 months is not long enough. *sigh* Oh the pressure of avoiding childhood torments. It's impossible.

    PS My word verification is "Sholok" -- could be a character name, huh? ;)

    6:42 PM  
    Blogger Diane P said...

    Have you ever used one of those baby name books?
    Being a teacher I had a tough time choosing a name that didn't have some sort of negative connotations. We did use the baby name book to name our dogs though.

    7:23 PM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    SUNNY: Congratulations on those April twins! That's fabulous news. I'm thrilled for you. Regarding names, oh, wow, that's a major decison. I tend to go with the older, historical names these days. Seems easier than trying to follow trends.

    DIANE P: Oh, heavens, yes, I've got a shelf full of "name the baby books". Plus the phone book. And it's still hard to come up with good names. You're so right about the negative links. There are some names I can't go with simply because I knew someone who was mean with that name

    7:37 PM  
    Blogger Brandy said...

    I'm not a writer, but I gravitate toward celtic sounding names. *G* Best wishes for the name hunt!

    7:51 PM  
    Blogger Sue G said...

    Names that are odd don't bother me. If I have a problem trying to decide how to pronounce it I hit the internet. The male/female thing not a big deal, especially with Cruz, which sounds very masculine, can't imagine giving that name to a woman. I kinda like unusual names, because we don't always come across them in reality. Celtic names are great (used them for my 2 sons), but are again some of the most difficult to pronounce correctly for English speakers. One name in particular that I've seen in a few books, Niall, pronounced like Neil, NOT Nile. I've had authors pronounce it both ways, (within the story, character pronouncing name).

    Don't stress, the name will come to you. He will just pop into your head and tell you who he is.

    8:27 PM  
    Blogger Sue G said...

    An aside...

    Fallon and Arizona, whoo, hoo

    am enjoying the tweets

    8:29 PM  
    Blogger Kate Douglas said...

    Jayne, Cruz was perfect for your hero in Obsidian Prey...and it's a futuristic. Who says names won't evolve so that Cruz is entirely masculine by "then?"

    When in doubt, I always go to the Internet or the phone book. Sometimes I merely picture the character and his or her name will pop into my head. You always have such wonderful, unique names for yours, I know you'll come up with something wonderful!

    8:36 PM  
    Blogger Mary said...

    I loved the name Cruz Sweetwater and Obsidian Prey was wonderful! But yeah, sometimes when a name is hard to pronounce it does take away from the story a little bit. I read an ebook where the heros name was Gadifriald. That pretty much stopped me right there, and I thought it was a really good thing the author shortened it to "Gadi" as he went on in the book.

    10:56 PM  
    Blogger Carla Neggers said...

    I always love the names of your characters! I'm impressed that you can write a whole book with a place holder name for your hero, but I know what you mean -- a name's got to feel right for the character.

    I love Cruz as a name, too.

    2:31 AM  
    Anonymous kris b said...

    names in books don't bother me, if I can't pronounce them My brain just comes up with what works best!
    and.. well I do refer to books by names of characters instead of titles occasionally cause I can't rememeber titles! ( I really hate that but I know if I read a book by characters)
    soo masculine or feminine as long as I like the character names either way are good for me! :-)

    kris b

    p.s. I am not up on greek gods or spanish towns either!

    4:01 AM  
    Anonymous AgTigress said...

    You worry too much, Jayne (hah, I should talk!) Call him something everyday like Michael, Philip, James, Stephen, David, Henry, William, George, Thomas... Or traditional but less common like Alexander, Julius, Marcus, Maximilian, Justin, Giles... :-)

    There will always be a potential problem for non-American readers because of different British and American naming practices. As you point out, many of the recently popular feminine forenames in American English are firmly MASCULINE first names or simply surnames in British English, e.g. Ashley, Meredith, Sidney, Mackenzie. This is very disconcerting to Brits. When I read a name like 'Ashley', I immediately envisage a male person. That was why 'Artemis' jumped out at me all those years ago.

    The movement from masculine to feminine has happened with some names in BE, too: Hilary, Beverley and Leslie were exclusively masculine forenames here up till the 1920s or so, but then became feminised, and in the first two cases, pretty well petered out.

    Celtic names are full of pitfalls, so I'd avoid them if I were you. They are frequently spelt in American English in a way that makes speakers of the original language cringe. For example, the Welsh feminine name 'Bronwen' is often misspelt 'Bronwyn', giving it a Welsh masculine ending.

    I am not generally too bothered by unfamiliar names, because I don't 'hear' in my head when I read: I only see the words, so their sound/pronunciation does not impinge on me at all unless and until I tell someone else about the book. I thought Cruz was fine in Obsidian Prey, and I had never thought of it as a woman's name at all. However, my Spanish is non-existent. Anyway, as someone has already pointed out, when the action is set in another place and time, you can make your own naming rules. Perhaps on Harmony, Maredudd (Meredith) will be 'correctly' bestowed only on males again!

    ;-)

    4:20 AM  
    Anonymous AgTigress said...

    Another British mutating male-to-female name that I couldn't remember in the above post, along with Hilary, Beverley and Leslie, is Evelyn.

    Call your hero Hilary or Evelyn -- that'll confuse everyone! Yet both are traditionally good, masculine names.
    ;-) :-D

    4:26 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Names that are hard to pronounce don´t matter to me. What matters is the story and the carachters. That said there are some masculin names I like more than others. For example names that refer to animals and/or raptors(predators) such as Leon, Cougar, Wolf, Hawke and Falcon.

    I am also fond of the following:
    Erik, Raoul, Rafael, Haytham (lion in arabic), Rajiv, Saul, Daniel, Sean, Nikolai, Sergei and Konstantin.

    A good way to find a name is the Oxford Dictionary of First names. It´s just brilliant.

    Lots of luck find the name you want.

    Cheers, Sirry

    5:54 AM  
    Blogger Lori said...

    Oh Jayne, no worries at all! When I read one of your books, you literally COULD call the hero Sue and it'd be fine. The romance is so engaging and the plot so fascinating that I would never get hung up on a name!
    If I don't know how to pronounce something, I make a mental note to change it to something I can pronounce, and then for the rest of the book, that's what the name is to me. LOL

    I love the name Cruz and imo, it's mega masculine!

    Just go with your instincts and diehard readers will love it.

    Hugs,

    Lori

    5:54 AM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    BRANDY: I like Celtic names but I fear them because I'm afraid I'll either get them wrong or choose one that no reader can say in her head.

    SUE G: Yep, you're right, he did just pop into my head and tell me who he is. And your explanation of the problems with Celtic names says it all. Thanks!

    KATE: Thanks, but the real problem is that I've used up most of the names I truly love like Gabriel. It's getting harder and harder to find unique names that are not impossible to pronounce.

    MARY: Thanks! So glad you enjoyed Obsidian Prey. And your "Gadi" story is a fine example of the pitfalls of unusual names.

    6:51 AM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    CARLA: This isn't the first time I've had to work with a place holder name. Actually, it was a good name this time (Simon) but I just got tired of typing "Simon said" Aack. It's the little things that get you as a writer.

    KRIS B: You are obviously a professional when it comes to reading! You don't let weird names get in the way. As a writer, I truly appreciate that. But you'd be amazed by how many readers hate hard names

    6:54 AM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    AgTigress: Good to see you back! You're right about the risks of using names from other languages. But's it's amazing how many names from other tongues have found their way into English, isn't it? It's like our cooking, I suppose. Both reflect the influence of immigration, travel and global commerce.

    SIRRY: I, too, love those predator names! Trouble is, I've used most of them already! Nice to have you drop in for a visit, too.

    6:58 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Ross

    I had an uncle named Ross who married into my family. He was tall, dark, handsome, and strong. When he laughed, everyone laughed. My aunt adored him for 48 years until her death from breast cancer. He now suffers from Alzheimer's and his children adore him.

    Lynne Thomas

    8:25 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I'd have to say that hard to pronounce names do take away from a story until I make up my own pronunciation in my mind. But it bothers me because I know I'm probably wrong. Seeing an author in an interview saying the name differently will bug me.

    I like shortened, single syllable names, Jake, Luke, Zack, Mike, Nick because they just seem to me to have strong masculine themes, but love Erik (spelled either way-Eric) because I have several relatives & friends with the name.

    KathyLynn
    "Cruelty is a mystery, and a waste of pain." --Annie Dillard

    8:48 AM  
    Blogger Barbara said...

    Names are very powerful!
    I've always accepted the names of your characters in part because they fit their personalities (difficult to explain). Sometimes a name comes with a history - you connect it with a real person and forever after that, anyone with that name (fictional or not) is branded!
    I wanted to name my son Tristan (we're Joneses!) but the family was appalled. He ended up a NIcholas and he certainly is!

    8:55 AM  
    Blogger Venus Vaughn said...

    Odd, interesting or hard to pronounce are all okay so long as I'm given a pronunciation guide somewhere in the first chapter.

    Iphiginia follows the rules of the English language, so while it's not pretty on the page, it doesn't mess with my mind. But names that are pronounced differently than they're spelled make me grit my teeth. The fact that my real last name is pronounced differently than it's spelled makes me sympathetic for those who have to go through it in real life, but there's no need to do that to a reader.

    Before they reached international acclaim I went through the first two or three Harry Potter books pronouncing his female sidekick's name as "HER-me-own".

    And in Ward's most recent book, one of her guys is called Adrian, and given a nickname of Ad. That doesn't follow to me. Different "a"s. Unless AID-ree-en is actually pronounced ADD-ree-en? I stopped every time I read Ad to try and figure out what it was supposed to be - the logical, "Aid" or the less-visually-jarring "Ad."

    I don't mind a guy having a feminine name, so long as his heroine has a more feminine name than he does. Eg, if your guy is named Sidney, don't name your girl Drew. Call her Amanda or Princess or something unmistakably female. I never want to go through the first four chapters consciously reminding myself who's who.

    8:59 AM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    LORI:Thanks so much for the positive feedback. You reassure me. But you always manage to find good names. I need that talent!

    LYNNE: Ross? That sounds fine to me as a man's name. Uh oh. Am I missing something? You see? This is how it happens!!!! I miss nuances or something!!!!

    KATHY LYNN: Short, hard edged names are great for heroes. Trouble is, I'm running out of them!

    BARBARA: You make a great point. Names are powerful. They say a kid will grow into a name, for better or worse. The name can shape the personality.

    VENUS: As it happens, you have a wonderful name, yourself! I agree, the trick to shortening a name is to keep the sounds the same.

    9:16 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    LOL! Jayne, you're too funny. I was recommending a name for your poor nameless hero. No nuances since I am not a subtle woman. And YOU could name a man Sue and I would still find him wonderful.

    Lynne Thomas

    9:40 AM  
    OpenID shilohwalker said...

    It's going to depend on how odd/awkward the name is. When I was still working as a nurse, I saw more than my share of WEIRD names, and I mean really weird, so it takes a lot to throw me.

    But if it's too, too weird, I might sub out the name mentally. If it's a new to me author, unless it's been highly recommended, I will be honest-a name that's too way out there, I might not read much more than the blurb.

    I one time had a guy email me about one of the heroines from my Hunters series-her name was Sarel, which I thought was pretty and unusual... apparently, though, it's a name commonly used in Africa...for men. I can't tell if he was amused or irritated.

    10:25 AM  
    Blogger Catherine said...

    Hi Jayne
    It's a conversation I've had with my mom. Me, names don't bother me one way or another, I pronounce them my way and that's the way they stay.
    Mom on the other hand, if she doesn't like the name, she'll change it. She substitutes the name she likes every time she sees the one she doesn't.
    Gives me a headache thinking about it.
    On a side note--LOVING the Fallon tweets =)

    Catherine

    10:30 AM  
    Blogger elizabeth said...

    I have a problem with names that end in "ss." The copy editors keep changing the possessive form to "ss's" instead of the possessive form I was taught was correct "ss'"

    ssssssssssssss'enough to make me hiss. So I avoid men's or women's names then end in "ss."

    11:12 AM  
    Blogger susan andersen said...

    Huh. I love Cruz. I knew a guy named Cruz Castillo. And in one of my name the baby books it's under boys NOT under girls. Same thing with babynology.com/spanish-boynames. So if you like the name, I'd stick with it.


    I am not fond of names that make you guess their pronunciation. For me, they slow the pace as I always go, what the hell? until i finally just choose my own pronunciation and stick with it. I had a heroine named Aunie (AWN-knee) once and got a lot of WTF mail. Nowadays I try to stick with names it's hard to screw up.

    11:54 AM  
    Anonymous kris b said...

    I really do love to read this blog! susan you so amuse me!
    I can say since I am not a writer I have never had any wtf mail! LOL I am sorry that writers get that kind of mail cause the only kind I think reader should send is the good kind! :-)

    barbara I wanted to name a boy tristan if I had one my husband refused! but I knew he would so be a tristan and live up to the name but alas I only have girls and dreams of a tristan! sigh.. I do so like that name! had to share my baby name moment since I am not getting a tristan and my daughter is naming my first grandson nolan!which I do like alot! ;-)

    kris b

    12:41 PM  
    Anonymous Gram said...

    My youngest is named Dean, a fine name and a fine young adult. I don't see too many Dean's in the books I read.
    P.S. I liked Cruz, too...his name and his persona.
    Thanks for writing these great stories so I can get lost in another world.

    1:22 PM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    LYNNE: Whew! Thanks for clarifying. But I think I'll avoid "Sue".

    SHILOHWALKER: You were a nurse before you became a writer? How cool is that! Bet that background provided you with some dramatic inspiration.

    CATHERINE: I like your approach. Pick a way to pronounce it and stick with it. Glad you're enjoying Fallon's tweets. He's getting ready to close the case on or about Nov. 1

    EL: I know what you mean when it comes to "ss". My publisher follows the same rule and it looks messy on the page.

    SUSAN: Thanks for the research! I've been too afraid to go check for myself. You're a pal.

    GRAM: Thanks and, yes, Dean is a great name. You're right, we don't see it a lot these days. Funny how names come and go in fashion.

    2:28 PM  
    Blogger Terry S said...

    Cruz may be feminine to Spanish language speakers but it is definitely masculine to those who speak American English. Just remember you will never please all the people no matter how hard you try. I have to wonder about people who actually let something so trivial become important enough they have to write to you about it.

    I do admit that I couldn't read the books in the "The No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency" series because of the names, but I LOVE listening to the audio versions because those same names were being pronounced....and so beautifully, too.

    6:35 PM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    TERRY S: you make a very good point: when it comes to complicated names, the audio version of the book is the way to go. I know that my audio publisher, BRILLIANCE AUDIO, always calls me when they have questions about the pronunciation of a character's name. I'm sure all of the other audio publishers do the same. Great idea!

    7:09 PM  
    Blogger Tina said...

    I have to say that if the name is odd enough that I can't figure out how to pronounce it or I mentally trip over it each time, it will put me off. When I read, I see/hear a movie in my head, so anything that disrupts the flow of the soundtrack will throw that off kilter. I just read a short story, in fact, and the name wasn't odd in terms of spelling, but it was odd. The character was a woman, whose mother was from Armenia (and was an angel) and the character's name? Dutch. Yep, Dutch. It was written in the first person, too, so I was a paragraph or two in before I figured out that the narrator was female. Still rather baffled about that choice.

    As for masculine names, I tend to really like old-fashioned, biblical names. (Which, given my complete lack of religion, is kind of funny.) But I love names like Adam, Zeke, Saul, etc. I've got one son whose middle name is Matthew and another whose first name is Daniel, so I'm consistent that way. I also love the less biblical but still old-fashioned Jack, Jake, and Jesse. Of course, with the popularity of Jessica/Jessie, I'd never name a boy that now, but I still just love that name. I'm sorry but I find a lot of the newer male names to be rather wimpy and soft. (I could name specific names, but I'd be sure to offend someone, needlessly, so I won't.)

    8:39 PM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    Tina: I'm with you, I love the old names, too. And I do have problems with a lot of the newer, softer sounding names. And funny you should mention "Adam". That is the name I chose for this hero. Psychic intercept.

    8:49 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Jayne,

    Cruz is all male as far as I am concerned and 'Obsidian Prey' was a wonderful read.

    If I am unable to pronounce a name - which is rare - I just think of the closest pronounciation (in my opinion) and go with that. It does not affect the story.

    Isn't it difficult to write using a 'place holder', do you find yourself referring to said person as 'place holder'?

    Certain names which used to be considered male and are now female can probably cause problems when for example, forms are filled out and the person dealing with said form 'assumes' the name must be female. So Mr. Cameron Whoever may get correspondence addressed to Ms Cameron Whoever. Maybe I am wrong here.

    Ag. Tigress, I never knew that Evelyn was a masculine name, the few people I know with that name are all females. Thanks for that info.

    Joy

    4:57 AM  
    Blogger ChrisTina said...

    Oh Jayne! You are funny and brilliant and warm, and so are your creations. You COULD name a boy Sue and get away with it, but I'm not sure even you could make Herbert romantic [sorry, that is sure to offend someone, but my ex wanted that for our first child. Thankfully SHE eliminated that threat to bliss, and Amy - beloved - she was and is].

    Cruz is entirely masculine, and I might just be falling a bit in crush with Fallon. LOVE the tweets. I'm rooting for a discovery of Vortex agents, though :-)

    "My" boy names were Adam, Luke, Nicholas (Nick) and Samuel (Sam). But 1) never had a boy and 2) never gave birth to as many strong males as YOU have, so the naming was pretty simple.

    Said it before, and I'll say it again: don't know how you do what you do, but I am grateful every single time I think of you and your creations -- they make my day a bit brighter and give me the warm feeling of contact with a friend.

    THANKS!

    Chris

    p.s. Glad to see AgTigress back, too!

    6:20 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Jayne, this whole dissussion has made me laugh. It must be hard to find names that are worthy of the "specialness" of the hero,when there is such a plethora of pitfals to be stumbled into, and being such a great writer, you Have used up a bunch of good ones already.
    Naming my own kids was hard enough for me-especially when one's husband has to go and have opinions too. My second Daughter was 4 days old before I finally filled out her birth certificate info. We had finally compromized on a first name, but I did not know how to spell it, so, not wanting to spell it "wrong", I searched the baby name books to find out how. I could only find one close example, so I went with it. Saddly, after I got off the pain meds, I discovred that there actually were people named "Rachelle", pronounced as I wanted it. It turns out that "Rochelle" ( what I put down) is a diffrent name altogether, pronounced diffrently. I was so worried about spelling it "wrong" that I spelled it wrong. I always pronounce it "Rachelle" , but I can't count the times I have had to explain to someone that I spelled it wrong, when clarifying what her name is. Then, there is her middle name. I picked one that I had never heard of, and did not know how to pronounce. Is Ariana pronounced "ARE ee ana" or "AIR ee ana"? I thought it was pretty either way, but still find myself stumbling over explinations if it comes up, because inevitably, whoever I am talking to thinks it was or is or should be the other way than the way I just said it, whichever way that was that time.
    She is 19 now, and goes by "Chelle". I did have to pull out her birth certificate reciently tho, because neither of us could remember if there was one "n" or two in "Ariana" as she was filling out forms for College registration. She told me I had spelled it wrong, that it should have two "n"s. I had to fall back on my excuse that I "just wrote down what the baby name book said". Or mabe thay made a typo when they printed the certificate. It could happen.

    7:14 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    oops. forgot my own name up there. Mabe I Should remain anonymus,but the sorry speller's name is "Jill"

    7:28 AM  
    Blogger Kristi said...

    Hah. I don't think there's anything wrong with making Cruz male in a futuristic even if the word "cruz" is feminine in present-day spanish.

    I get stuck in wierd themes...I had Hunter, Fox, and Forrester all in the same manuscript (the lowly, umpublished kind) until a critique partner mentioned that I had too many H-names. So I had to disband the fox hunt. I have no idea where that came from (its a contemporary story, no hunting of any type!).

    I keep picking names from boys I had crushes on in JR. High. I just keep praying that should I become published, that none of them ever figure out the trend and decide to look me up....(oh the joys of Facebook and seeing exactly *what* has happened to all the cute boys in the last 20 years)..

    11:27 AM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    JOY: Well, I didn't actually write "place holder". I used Simon. But like I said, I got really, really tired of writing "Simon said."

    CHRIS TINA: Thanks, but I don't think I'll push it as far as actually naming a hero "Sue." And I love the name "Amy". You lucked out on Herbert, for sure.

    JILL: Love the Rachelle story! That is too funny. Pain meds will do that to a woman.

    KRISTI: I know wht you mean. More than once I'd had to go back through a manuscript and change names of characters because too many started with the same letter of the alphabet! And best of luck with your own writing, by the way.

    12:37 PM  
    Blogger still karibear said...

    Since my father's family was notorious for passing along names, and naming offspring for relatives, etc, I have a brother with Chilkoot for a middle name, a sister named Frank, and my own middle name is Ray, for an uncle. I have no problems with any names.

    1:41 PM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    Still Karibear -- I love your family's sense of history - or would that be sense of humor? A sister named Frank? And your middle name is Ray?

    2:19 PM  
    Blogger still karibear said...

    Bot only is her name Frank, her middle name is Gene! I'm not sure what it is, we just got to live with it.

    3:22 PM  
    Anonymous Gina said...

    What fun stories! I personally have no trouble reading books where the hero or heroine has an unusual name-it just adds a bit more depth to the character. After all, if they survived their youth with a crazy name, they HAD to be strong. Of course, you could take a page from Indiana Jones-have a boring name? Use the dog's name!

    My family historically gives the eldest daughter the mother's maiden name as a middle name. We planned use names from prior generations for our sons... but my two girls tell me that they would have HATED being named Preston James or Preston McComas. (And yes, I went with old-fashioned names for my girls-Mary and Victoria. Both seem to actually like their names.)

    Keep the books coming-you've got a lot of folks out here waiting for the next one.

    5:56 PM  
    Blogger GatorPerson said...

    I had an aunt named Bill, named for her father, Wilhelm, I think.

    Martin Cruz Smith writes as manly a novel as I can name. So Cruz to me is definitely masculine. I might balk at a girl named Cruz as much as a girl named Bill!

    Oh, and one of you thought I might be your son posing as someone else. Nope!

    6:35 PM  
    Anonymous Shiloh Walker said...

    "SHILOHWALKER: You were a nurse before you became a writer? How cool is that! Bet that background provided you with some dramatic inspiration."

    When they can talk me into it, I still am. I keep trying to get my old boss to fire me once and for all, but all she does is laugh at me when I suggest it... ;o)

    Yep, I was a nurse, technically still am, just do enough to keep my hand, more or less.

    Inspiration? Sometimes. Equal part inspiration, entertainment, frustration and heartbreak.

    6:39 PM  
    Blogger Sori said...

    I'm LOLing at the Simon said. I can totally see hero and heroine knocking heads and her lambasting him with "Simon says this, Simon says that! Heaven forbid I don't do what Simon says!"

    I don't mind unusual names, but I'm terrible at coming up with them.
    Whatever his name is, I look forward to reading!

    12:07 PM  
    Blogger Stella Cameron said...

    Jayne:

    I will go along with any name. I do have a few I associate with villains but if they are given to a hero, I'm fine.

    Stella

    I like Vivian and Hilary as men's names but I don't think I'd use them.

    12:13 PM  
    Blogger Zita said...

    I do have trouble when the names are hard for me to pronounce. Tripping over them pulls me out of the story, and, believe me, that gets old really fast. I still haven't finished War and Peace because of the darn names, not to mention that the characters each had about 15 nicknames. Apparently they made perfect sense if you grew up in Russia...

    5:46 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Jayne -- I was amused when you mentioned the "softer" sounding names, for two reasons. One, some of the recent boys' names I've seen in the paper include Bow Hunter, Draegen and Prince.

    There have been girls named Goddess and Diamond. Then there are all the fake ethnic names with apostrophes. I was fine with Artemis/mas and Cruz, but please don't go putting in any two-word first names, like Bow Hunter, or names with apostrophes. I'd rather see Sue.

    Second, if you go to Baby Name Wizard and put a name in Name Voyager you can see the years it has been popular, you can see old-fashioned names like Barbara and Donald drop off the cliff or slide downhill in the early 1980s, when names beginning with vowels get popular -- for boys and for girls -- Isabella and Isaac, Owen, Andrew and Amanda, and similar-sounding things like Mason, Nathan and Natalie.

    Names like Stephanie and Stacey disappear in the 1980s, even though they have those popular vowel sounds.

    You can see all kinds of things with the Name Voyager and geographic graphs at the site. Very few names starting with P are popular now, for instance, but names that start with Q are a big deal now. Enjoy. --

    Ruth

    6:47 PM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    GINA: Good for you, sticking with solid female names for your daughters.

    GATOR PERSON: An aunt named Bill? I love it. See, if I put that into a book no one would believe it.

    SORI: Odd names work -- up to a point. Then they just get in the way.

    ZITA: Okay, good to know I'm not the only one who never made it through War and Peace. Thanks! I needed that.

    RUTH: You are so right, names are absolutely fascinating and so is the history surrounding them.

    7:46 PM  
    Anonymous sandyp said...

    I really enjoy the name game debate. In my family, it was happening all the time. When my youngest sister was born, over 40 years ago, my parents had her home from the hospital for over a week before they decided on her name. I had been a toss up between Linda [Spanish for "pretty"], and Susan. She ended up being named Diana, go figure. Then there was my brother. My parents initially named him a family name, decided they really didn't like it, and changed his name to Jonathan Valentine. I made sense with our last name, which was a Greek name. I married a man with a long Polish name without many vowels, so I had to come up with short, sweet names to counteract the consonant filled last name. My kids are Abby and David. And Abby is just Abby, not Abigail, i would have taken her too long to write her name for tests and such. Haha.

    4:57 AM  
    Blogger Lunechilde said...

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    10:23 PM  
    Blogger Lunechilde said...

    I work with an asian guy named SUE. In a poker room of all places.

    10:36 PM  

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