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    Sunday, November 08, 2009

    JAYNE GETS A TATTOO


    Okay, it's only a temporary tattoo, the Arcane logo, as a matter of fact. I've been assured it will wear off in a few days. It was something of an experiment, you see. There will be a few Arcane tats in each of the Collector's Packets that folks who pre-order FIRED UP at participating bookstores will get when they pick up the book. I was curious to see how the temp tats worked. Sort of nifty if I do say so, myself.


    But ordering up the tats got me to thinking about the whole subject in general. For some reason, people seem to be sharply divided in their opinions when it comes to tats. Few folks are neutral. Personally, I have toyed with the idea of getting a real tat but two things have always stopped me cold in my tracks. The first is the fact that the process involves actual needles and pain. I don't do unnecessary needles and pain, although I did have my ears pierced, come to think of it. Anyhow, the second thing that gives me considerable pause is the thought of what the tat is going to look like when I'm 95. I don't believe that tats age well.


    I do realize that tats have sinister connotations in some quarters -- jail house and gang-related tats come to mind. But art of any kind is a form of power and, like power, art can be twisted in evil ways. Some ghastly films have been made and some horrifying pictures have been created. Those issues aside, I have no problem with the basic concept of tattoos.


    I find tattooing an intriguing art form because it is so personal. A lot of the young stylists at my hair salon have tats. I see professionals of all kinds on the street displaying tats. I think tattoos can be very cool on both men and women alike.


    But, as I noted, people seem to have strong opinions on the subject. I've heard that having a tat can ruin your chances of getting a job.


    So this is your chance to let me know how you react if you see someone with a tattoo. Think I should get a real one? Do you have one? Don't worry, I won't ask where.


    Jayne

    47 Comments:

    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I love tattoos. I have always been fascinated by them. However, i grew up in a time when tattoos were something normal, nice people did not do. Oh, and women absolutely did not get them or they would be considered trashy sluts. By the time society changed and tattoos became more acceptable, i had reached an age where stuff was starting to sag. I have often joked that I would get a tattoo if it promised not to sag...ever. Even now, at the place I work, all tattoos must be covered at all times by the employees, so we still aren't that appreciative of personal art such as tattoos. This is too bad when there are such beautiful ones out there. My niece has recently gotten a sprig of snowdrops tatted on her ankle in remembrance of her infant son who was stillborn. Her tattoo is a thing of beauty that is a visible marker in her life path.
    Should you get one? I think that is entirely up to you. But I also think that no one should tell you not to get one. Only you can determine if a tattoo is for you.

    PS-if I got one it would be on my left...
    Are you kidding? I would never tell.

    Lynne Thomas

    10:25 PM  
    Anonymous ms bookjunkie said...

    When I was eighteen, I seriously considered getting a tattoo, but I ran into a couple of problems. First, I couldn't think of an image that I would want to have permanently on my body, and second, I could not think of a body part that I would want permanently marked. Way too permanent. Not to mention, what would my parents say?! So, no tattoo for me.

    I'm sure many things influenced my decision… Like the family acquaintance who was in and out of prison in his youth and whose body is covered in REALLY UGLY prison tats, or the story about the pregnant woman whose doctor liked the whale on her belly, only to hear it used to be a dolphin… Or the magazine article I read way back when about a tattoo artist who said a friend had let her practice tattooing on him. (I don't want anyone "practicing" with anything permanent on me!) There's also the story about the guy who had to daily cover the tattoo on his arm with makeup, because his employees did not approve… And lets not forget hepatitis and other diseases that can be transferred through the needle. *shudder* So, seriously, not tat for me.

    Don't get me wrong, I admire a gorgeous tattoo as much as the next person, when the placement, size and image suit the person carrying it. I have seen some of those (mostly in magazines), but the few I have come across IRL have been off-putting to me -clumsy, awkward and ugly.

    2:00 AM  
    Anonymous kris b said...

    Lovely blog jayne! :-)
    I love tats! I have 5! :-) but also they are not for everyone! I always tell the teenagers I work with not to get one when they are 18 cause they will pick something stupid that they won't like when they are 40! LOL
    but your tats have to reflect you and no one else! my kids do not like mine but thats because they are for me! not for them! I do not mind seeing them on people, I mean I do not like the bad one and i have seen some! but... mostly I think they are cool and took courage to pick and there must have been a reason for them! I do not have to cover mine at work but I dont show 3 of them as my clothes naturally cover them. when I tell people i have them they are shocked cause I am a grandma and they say I dont look like a tattoo person. I think why not? I really like them I want another and just may have one before the end of the year if I can find someone I trust. they person who did all 5 of mine moved to florida sooooo not so much on trusting someone else. and I have to see their work first no practicing on me LOL

    I will tell you what i have though, I have a rose on my right ankle got it first when I was 28, I have a heart flad on my left calf those are the ones that show when I wear shorts, I have a jelly fish with my name in large letters on my right arm and under than I have aband of flowers which is the one I like least since it isnt finished and I would like it to be, and I have a cat with a ball of yarn on my left shoulder blade because I am the cat woman to all my friends and i do love my cats.

    and while I have nothing against anyone with tats I do like to see them and wonder why they got that one? if you want one even if your older get one, I don't think you will regret it and it really does not hurt that much at least I didnt think so and I like to look at them and know they are ME! :-)

    can you tell I like em? LOL thanks for the fun blog this morning I need a pick me up!

    kris b

    3:42 AM  
    Anonymous saprz said...

    Awesome blog subject, Jayne. I just read your latest tweet for Fallon and there is a mention of a "vortex" tat on the bad guy. I got a tat for myself on my 45th birthday. It is a 1 1/2 inch long ladybug on my left ankle. I had wanted it for years and finally took the plunge. It wasn't really painful, sort of just uncomfortable while it was being done, then, nothing. I have no regrets, and, as a nurse,I have imagined myself as the old lady in the home with the ankle tat ,lolololol. You only live once.

    4:32 AM  
    Blogger Lori Foster said...

    Great topic, Jayne!
    As a huge fan of MMA, I see all kinds of tattoos on the fighters. Most times, I don't mind them. I think some tattoos - like the barbed wire around a bulging biceps - looks sexy.
    But when a guy starts looking like a comic book, has his entire body covered, or puts something dumb on his body - like his own name... yeah. Not appealing to me.

    Funny story... when my middle son was wrestling in HS, captain of the team, the whole team was awesome. They were a force, and they were all very clean-cut.
    So during a tournament, while wrestling against a team of heavily tatted brutes, our team came out with a bunch of those "lick and stick" tattoos. It was hilarious. Sort of a spoof against the other team. The other guys had impressive, scary, even intimidating tattoos, and our guys sported unicorns, smiley faces and rainbows in bright colors. LOL
    AND... they made quick work of beating the other guys overall. Lots of pins that night.
    That had to smart, to get pinned by a guy with a lick-and-stick unicorn on his shoulder. LOL

    Right now, tattoos are hugely popular. Half the family has them. (Hubby and I don't, and 2 of my 3 sons don't - but my middle son over in South Korea recently got a single tattoo around his biceps.)

    My only big objection is when someone (thinking extended family here) gets a tattoo that they can't afford, and THEN wants to borrow money from me. Snort.

    I look forward to seeing all the comments you get!

    Lori

    6:05 AM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    LYNNE: I agree, tats are expressions of art but they do have some dark associations. Still, that doesn't explain why so many people react so negatively to them. I've never understood that.

    MS BOOKJUNKIE: Ack! Okay, there are some unfortunate tattoo stories floating around out there. I can certainly see where they would given a person pause.

    KRIS B: Thus far you are the one reporting in with the most personal experience. I agree with your advice to teenagers. Not a good idea to get tats when you're young because you're bound to choose a bad one. How about all those sailors who got "Roxie" tattooed on their arms and then married "Mary"?

    SAPRZ: Glad you're enjoying Fallon's tweets. And I LOVE the idea of the little ladybug on the ankle. Perfect!

    6:27 AM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    LORI: What fabulous tat stories from you family. I love the one about the wrestling team using cute "lick and stick" tats to tweak the other team. That is hilarious. And I'm with you, a person has to pay for his or her own tats. After all, these are very personal statements and should be paid for with personal cash.

    6:31 AM  
    Blogger tami said...

    I have wanted a tattoo but am just too chicken. I had one painted at one of those "henna" places and it lasted a couple of months. I got the classic "tramp stamp" on my lower back. I felt a little wild and sexy when I had it. I also had my belly button pierced years ago .... but I don't wear the little jewel anymore. I'm a closet wild child in a PTA Mom reality!

    7:09 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    My husband and I were looking at pictures in a tattoo-art book. The one we liked best, hands down, was on the inside of the girl's left index finger. It was a mustache! And she would set the finger across her upper lip ... hilarious. I wouldn't mind something like that, only I don't do needles. Or pain. Permanent marker, maybe. Or eyeliner ...

    7:46 AM  
    Blogger Kate Douglas said...

    I love tattoos, but since I've dealt with skin cancer for thirty years, I've always been leery of getting one. I'd hate to have some beautiful body art with a chunk cut out of the middle! Our daughter has a tat on her shoulder blade, one she got while serving in the Air Force in Europe, her husband got one while they were on their honeymoon in Rarotonga, done by a native in his kitchen, but he was supposed to be the best on the island--it really is beautiful!

    My favorite tattoo story occurred years ago--I was in line behind a much older lady in the bookstore. she had a gorgeous dragon covering her shoulder, running down her arm and disappearing under her sundress in the back. The colors were brilliant and I commented to her on how beautiful it was. She had just gotten it for herself as a gift for her 75th birthday! Maybe when I'm 75, I'll finally get one. I agree with Jayne that art is power, and body art has to be one of the most empowering things you can do. But Kris's advice is excellent--only when you're old enough to know what kind of tattoo you want to live with for the rest of your life!

    Great post, Jayne! (Of course my Chanku shapeshifters can't have tattoos--when they shift, the art turns to nothing more than flakes of dye blowing in the dust...and body piercings are another problem altogether!)

    8:08 AM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    TAMI: Hang onto that inner Wild Child. Everyone needs that more and more as time passes. But I always wondered about those belly button piercings. That's gotta hurt!

    ANONYMOUS: Can't even imagine having a tattoo on a body part that is as sensitive as a finger! I'm with you -- magic marker only.

    KATE: Love the story of the 75 year old woman getting a beautiful tattoo! And I can see the problem with giving tats to shape shifters. I admit I hadn't thought about it before.

    8:25 AM  
    Blogger Catherine said...

    Hi Jayne
    Great blog. I think everyone has nailed it. It's a personal decision. When you look like a clown, yeah, time to be done. Borrowing money for tats reminds of family members who've rec'd money for Christmas and ran straight to the tattoo parlor. Guess that's why at age 35, they live at MomDad's.
    Don't have any, like you, can't get past the pain/needle/sag idea. I'm mid40's so it'd look good for awhile but I imagine my grandkids looking at them trying to figure out what it was. =)

    Catherine

    9:07 AM  
    Blogger Carla Neggers said...

    My Dutch sailor uncle had a tat. I remember it as an anchor, but I can't swear to it since I didn't see much of him growing up. My Dutch sailor father didn't have a tat. They headed to sea as teenagers.

    Now that I think about it, I've always associated tats with sailors and adventures.

    9:52 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I don't care for tats myself. Can't get past the "sag" factor.

    Neither does our son. But he had to give up the "no tat" requirement for a girlfriend though, because they are so pervasive with his generation. He says he is literally the only person in his age group without one that he is aware of.

    That being said, employers are going to have a hard time hiring soon, because it is becoming such an excepted thing. So many young people have them now.

    KathyLynn

    10:06 AM  
    Anonymous Lulu said...

    >> Think I should get a real one?

    Get a real one if you want to, or just continue having fun with the temps. As an earlier commenter mentioned you can also have a lot of fun with henna, which isn't permament, but can last weeks.

    >> Do you have one?

    Nope. The needles/pain/etc. isn't so much my main concern. Mostly, I'm just not that interested in it these days, and if I was I'd need to spend some time finding a trustworthy artist.

    As for the affect tats have on job aquisition... depends on the job and where the tattoo got placed. Also: who's hiring. My feeling's always been: best to not get body mod that could affect your job, _unless_ you don't actually want to work somewhere that would discriminate on that criteria. In which case: have at, and more power to ya.

    10:12 AM  
    Anonymous kris b said...

    I just have to say since I have my name on my arm, that when dealing with names you can only get yours or your kids! never get anyone elses even if you have been married forever! it just hardly ever works out after someone elses name is on you permanantly! LOl and your kids will always be yours! if I could figure out how to send a picture I would I can't take it myself though since its on my right arm and I can't move my arm that direction.
    and finding the right artist is key cause you dont want someone to mess it up, give you a disease, or in general give you something you dont want. the first one I got I should have looked around but its been reworked and looks fine now! but I liked it at the time and I am the only one of my sisters with tattoos, my hubby has a celtic arm band and my daughter has a filigree on her upper back my 16 yr old wants one but told her she's have to wait since the guy I like moved and I didnt trush much of anyone else!

    also on lori's post yup I know lots of people that buy tattoos without paying bills, drives me crazy! these are not necissities! 9I have no idea how to spell that) and well I think you shouldnt get what you cant afford really! sigh..
    ahh well anyway I think jayne would look great with a discreet tatoo that only she knew was there! i like mine for me and hardly ever show them to anyone else unless they ask.
    I do love that lady of 75 getting one though! that is the greatest thing!! :-) makes me smile!

    Kris b

    10:35 AM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    CATHERINE: Yep, I agree. When you look like a clown you're done with tats.

    CARLA: Yes, there is something about sailors and tats. A lot of military people have them. I love that line in the "Margaritaville" about the tattoo "how it go here, I haven't a clue".

    KATHY LYNN: You're right. Employers may have to get past the anti-tat rules. Either that, or they won't be able to hire anyone in the younger generation!

    LULU: Wise advice. Save the body mods for areas that you can cover up if necessary.

    KRIS B: And more good advice on the subject of names!

    10:51 AM  
    Blogger Patricia Rice said...

    LOL on Margaritaville! Love that line. Think our son took it to heart, although thankfully, he sticks with tasteful art and not Mexican beauties. I think it may be the "beauties" along with the gang tats that gave tattoos their negative reputation. Far too many military men came home from service with inappropriate tattoos, only to marry and have their wives hate their art. My father-in-law had his Polynesian beauty removed at the same time my son got his ankle tat. Different strokes...
    But I don't even have pierced ears. Self mutilation simply never appealed to me after watching one too many African documentaries!

    11:44 AM  
    Anonymous AgTigress said...

    I won't say much about this, Jayne, as I have very strong, and now very unpopular, views. Perhaps as a result of deep-seated cultural conditioning, I have strongly negative feelings about tattoos. Like the ancient Romans, I see them as a visible signifier of barbarism.

    Furthermore, I have NEVER yet seen one that seems to me aesthetically pleasing, which might at least mitigate their awfulness. Most are ugly, trivial, banal and/or kitschy.

    Temporary tattoos, like painting a face to resemble a tiger or some such thing, may be an amusing bit of fancy dress. Permanent designs: no. And anyway, having once been symbols of unconventional standards and choices, of the 'outsider', they have now become boringly conformist.

    Yes, I know lots of you will hate me for saying that. But remember I am old and grumpy. I do have pierced ears, but that is the only permanent physical mutilation I have ever voluntarily embraced. Actually, I am somewhat less bothered by piercings than by tattoos.

    12:04 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    Some of the tattoos on young ladies can be quite intriguing.

    I do have tattoos. Three quite small dots used as targets for radiation treatments. aquired them 9 years ago.

    Louis

    12:25 PM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    AgTIGRESS: Still chuckling here! Hey, if the Romans considered tattoos barbaric then I guess we may have to re-think the issue. But as I said, the thought of needles and the aging/sagging process is more than enough to put me off the whole idea.

    LOUIS: Okay, that is truly an heroic tattoo. I'm glad it was 9 years in the past and I wish you all good health in the future.

    1:04 PM  
    Anonymous Shiloh Walker said...

    Oh, I want one of those!

    About permanent ones? I don't have much of an opinion one way or the other... Don't love them, don't hate them. have seen ugly ones and very sexy ones.

    I can say that after seeing what happens to the tatts when you're oh...say...90...not very pretty. I saw a LOT of not very pretty ones when I did a turn through nursing homes.

    Can also say: When you're working a professional job, like...oh, say one that has you interacting with medical professionals on a daily basis, if you've got a cute little butterfly on your tail and it shows every time you bend over to get something out of your bag? You might wanna cover it a little better. Or wear higher-waisted pants.

    Actually, I think the higher-waisted pants would be ideal, because with or without the tatt, I didn't want to see people's backsides when I worked up kids at the pediatrician's office.

    /rambling... :0)

    1:13 PM  
    Anonymous AgTigress said...

    Apart from the 'needles and pain' issue, there are potential health dangers in tattooing, not only the obvious ones of the need to maintain total clinical cleanliness of all equipment, but also in the fact that the inks themselves may not always be safe in the long term. Putting stuff on one's skin is one thing: injecting it permanently into one's skin is another.

    I'm afraid I also tend to think, when the word 'tattoo' is mentioned, not only of the ear-tattoos often used to identify and track individual animals in a herd, but also of the chilling use of tattooed numbers on concentration-camp prisoners in the Nazi time. All the mental associations of the tattoo are, for me, seriously negative. There are resonances of totalitarianism and oppression there that I simply cannot ignore.

    I realise this is purely personal. Just pay no attention, all you happily-tattooed persons -- but perhaps you should be aware that I am not unique, and there are undoubtedly others who have the same 'shudder' reaction to tattoos.

    1:49 PM  
    Anonymous saprz said...

    In response to Carla Neggers post. My first memory of a tatoo was the one my father had. He was in the Navy, during WW2, in the Philippines. He had the most gorgeous clipper ship, with all the riggings and sails, on his upper left arm. Oh, the stories he told about that tatoo. I believe that he got the tat while on Sebu. So, yea, sailors...go figure.

    3:33 PM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    SHILOH WALKER: You're nursing home experience is duly noted. It confirms what I suspected about the durability of tattoos. Not a good thing.

    3:47 PM  
    Blogger GatorPerson said...

    Having a tattoo means a person can't give any sort of blood at the Red Cross for a year, unless the tattoo place meets lots of restrictions.

    I'd rather give platelets every 2 weeks than wait a year. Well, besides, I can't imagine having a tattoo anyway. One of those henna traceries might be fun.

    6:39 PM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    Gator Person: Okay, your post casts the deciding vote. You can't give blood for a year? That confirms AgTigress's concerns about health issues. You and I will stick with henna traceries and "lick & stick" tats.

    7:12 PM  
    Anonymous SamG said...

    Looks like you've made up your mind. I seem to be like you that on others, they sometimes are beautiful

    I have a few reasons for not getting one:

    1) the actual needles and pain thing
    2) the aging thing
    3) although I know that these days most parlors are clean and not dangerous. BUT, when my hubby was trying Intron A for his chronic Hep C., the introduction/instructions meeting told us that 70% of people with Hep C got it from dirty needles (drugs or tats).
    4) our one friend that had extensive tats (one huge design that was gorgeous) could not/would not expose his tat to sunlight for fear of fading, nor would he get in the pool because of chlorine and fading. I won't do something that inhibits my fun time like that. Though I know that doesn't bother other friends with them.

    As I said, I seem to like them (the more artistic ones) on others, but would not like one on myself.

    Sam

    7:53 PM  
    Blogger Sunny said...

    I feel EXACTLY the same way... I have this secret desire to get a tattoo. But the PAIN! And the women in my family tend to live a long time, I don't really need to watch the tattoo shrivel and stretch as my 100th birthday approaches.

    I'll always be a little jealous of those who have them, though.

    9:03 PM  
    Blogger ChrisTina said...

    Ladies, ladies: forget the pain and needles. That isn't the biggest worry! I had always wanted a discreet tat just for myself but then came the TWO BIGGEST QUESTIONS: what and where?

    I just never could find a symbol that would hold its meaning, or hold enough significance to begin with! Perhaps I was a bit too much like a kid in a candy shop: THIS looks neat but what about THAT? Nah, that isn't quite it. How about.. BAH! Now that Arcane symbol, hmmmmm...

    Secondly: WHERE to put it? The LAST place I want it is anywhere requiring me to look at my backside in a mirror in order to admire the artwork. You see the difficulty??

    Oh well, I remain tat-less. I've got a feeling I'll survive just fine, but part of me equates it with courage and I'm just not there yet. Besides, even if I FOUND the courage, I'd STILL be back to questions 1 and 2.,,

    Good post Jayne! OOH OOH: Maybe a little tornado on my...forget it.

    ChrisTina H

    10:00 PM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    It's funny that piercing is mentioned but not waxing or cosmetic surgery, new boobs anyone? We modify our bodies all the time. Even tanning - that's not our natural color, but ink, yeah it's more permanent but if you body is a temple why not decorate it?

    I got a tat when I was 18. It was my high school graduation gift from my brother - a blue feather on my right hip. It's from Richard Bach's "Illusions" so it has double significance and I will love it forever. It's faded but not sagging, maybe a little stretched (I'm 35). I'm thinking about getting it touched up.

    My other tatoo is permant eyeliner - yes, tatoos around my eyes. That was by far the most painful thing I've ever done. I've had it for a year and I'm thrilled with the results. The hip was nothing, backs don't hurt much either, I'm told, less nerve endings. I would get another but my fiancee doesn't particularly like them, says one is just fine so I guess I won't.

    Just be sure to think very hard about your design, check out the salon and find someone who really appeals to you, personally and artisticlly.

    The best story I ever heard was about a woman who had a double masectomy so she got a full chest tatoo of a beautiful garden scene, a magazine quoted her saying it was more pleasing to look at then what was there before.

    It's all so personal and there are good reason to not like them, but I love to see the really well done, non-scary ones.

    Zeusly

    10:01 PM  
    Blogger Mary said...

    I love looking at tattoos and have often thought of getting one myself but I can't ever make up my mind of what I would want on me or where.

    My mom got a rose tattoo with her fiance's name underneath it on her her back right over her left shoulder after her fiance died. I think it's one of the prettiest red roses I've ever seen and she's never regretted getting it.

    One of these days I'm sure I will get one, but when your almost 40 years old...one of these days seems to get shorter and shorter. lol

    10:04 PM  
    Blogger susan andersen said...

    I have a couple--I just choose body parts that will never sag. (There are a few :) My son has several--my favorite of his is the Dungeness crab on his forearm.

    It's funny-- the older I get, the more I like tats.

    10:55 PM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    SAM G: All good reasons for avoiding unnecessary needles, that's for sure.

    SUNNY: Well, there are these neat temporary tattoos...

    ChrisTina: A little vortex tat? Welcome to Fallon Jones's world of conspiracies! Arizona Snow did try to warn him.

    7:47 AM  
    Anonymous AgTigress said...

    "It's funny that piercing is mentioned but not waxing or cosmetic surgery, new boobs anyone? We modify our bodies all the time. ....if you body is a temple why not decorate it?"

    Surface adornment is one thing, but permanent alteration is another. Depilation and make-up are reversible changes in the same way as clothing and jewellery (hair grows back). Repainting the 'temple' and putting down a carpet cannot be compared with building an extension or cutting new windows.

    There are instances in which surgical alteration of the body's appearance are fully justified (breast reduction is sometimes one of these, or the removal of very large and obvious skin blemishes), but unnecessary cosmetic surgery merely designed to match the body more closely to an arbitrary aesthetic ideal seems to me frivolous.

    Most piercings are actually more easily reversible than tattoos: remove the metal ornament from the hole, and the hole won't show much, and eventually will usually close up. Tattoos can be removed, but it is a major, painful, and not always wholly successful, project.

    7:53 AM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    ZEUSLY: You're right, humans do have a long history of decorating their bodies in both permanent and non-permanent ways. But as much as I'd love permanent eye liner I don't think I could handle having a needle that close to my eyes. Ack!

    MARY: Hey, there's no rush here! Besides, as SHILOH WALKER pointed out, tats don't look quite so cool when you're 95.

    SUSAN: Hmm. Sounds like the older you get the more your inner Wild Child comes out. Ahem. What body parts, exactly, don't sag? And the Dungeness Crab is so very Northwest.

    7:54 AM  
    Blogger susan andersen said...

    Jayne, the shins, the back of the neck and a large part of the upper back, behind the ears, wrists, forearms, feet, ankles--there truly are plenty of places.

    12:41 PM  
    Blogger Tina said...

    I have 3 tats. I always wanted one, even before I knew I wanted one. That is, I drew on myself with ink pens all the time. Little designs around my wrists and ankles. Little flowers on my thighs or the tops of my feet in the summer. I was doing this as early as 2nd or 3rd grade. When I joined the Air Force, I was 17 and I almost got one in tech school (every one else -- and I mean EVERYONE -- got one), but I didn't know what design I wanted and I didn't want something that I would regret later. I kept the thought in mind, though, and continued to decorate myself (this time with temp tattoos). Eight years and three kids later, I was out of the military and I walked past a tattoo parlor most days on my way to work. That's when I gave in and got myself my first tat for my 25th birthday. I got my second one later that year. I got my last tattoo when my divorce became final, about 5 1/2 years ago. All of mine are my own design. Two of the three are in places that someone would only see in certain situations and the third is high enough on my arm that even when I wear short sleeves, most people don't know I have it. Oh, and as of yet, not a bit of stretch or sag of any of the tattoos, itself, and I'm 43, so that means that two of them are nearly 20 years old. (So, yeah, I got mine when they weren't all that common and it definitely was unusual for a woman to have one, so no, I didn't get one to "conform".)

    The first one hurt, but the other two didn't really. I figured that if I could give birth, I could get a tattoo. The pain isn't that bad and you know it will end. Also, the amount of pain largely depends on where you put it. Finally, relaxing into it (instead of thinking, "My! That tattoo needle sounds just like a dentist drill!" -- my mistake with my 1st tat!) and thinking of something else, or even reading, makes it hurt a lot less.

    Even though I got my tats a long time ago, it never kept me from getting a job or anything like that. However, as I mentioned, you can't see mine most of the time unless I'm wearing a sleeveless shirt. The only way you'd ever see all 3 of them would be in the locker room at the gym or if I'm in a bathing suit.

    Because I, for the most point, look very straight, I've been on the receiving end of the "you don't look like the sort of person that would have tattoos" comments. In fact, I heard that fairly recently from someone that wouldn't let it go and then proceeded to give me the "how can you put something permanent on your skin?" lecture -- like a) it isn't a little late now; and b) I'm not a grown woman and well capable of making up my own mind about what to do with my own body. My reply?

    "So, ______, do you know the biggest difference between someone with tattoos and someone without?"

    "What's that?"

    "Someone with tattoos doesn't care if you don't have any."

    (Yeah, I know that not every non-tattoo person is overly concerned about my tattoos. On the other hand, Mr. None-Of-His-Business stopped lecturing and went away.)

    6:59 PM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    Oh, Tina: Your final come-back is absolutely the perfect ending for this blog. "Do you know the biggest difference between someone with tattoos and someone without?"

    Wonderful!

    --J

    7:58 PM  
    Blogger Tina said...

    Oh, Tina: Your final come-back is absolutely the perfect ending for this blog.

    I wish I could take credit for it. In the interest of full disclosure, the woman who gave me my first tattoo was wearing a t-shirt with that line on it and I've never forgotten it. That was the first time I ever got to actually use it, though. :)

    4:16 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    I have tattoos. I have 9, yes 9 tattoos. They each mean something personal to me. Most people are completely shocked to find that I have 1, let alone 9. They tell me "you don't seem like the type" Now aday's there is no "type".

    My mom has 2 and wants another. She is 63 yrs old. lol. It's a bit addicting.

    Shana

    4:42 AM  
    Blogger Jayne Ann Krentz said...

    SHANA: That's part of the allure of tats, I think, they are such a personal form of art.

    6:45 AM  
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    7:23 AM  
    Blogger Mary said...

    lol I know there's no rush and thinking of the sagging or looking foolish at age 95 with a tattoo that looked really cool when I was younger but the grandkids want me to cover up when we go to the park...Yeah maybe I think to much but that's what stops me from getting one.

    11:31 AM  
    Anonymous Anonymous said...

    ok - I have a tatoo. It is of a tiger head. It was supposed to be kinda white tiger looking (with the blue undertones)...looks more like Tony the Tiger though.

    It is not an "angry" tiger. it is just sitting there looking at you.

    I got it when I was 24. I had been thinking about it, but didnt have the guts. Then one of my best friends at the time told me she had gotten one, and I week later I got mine. She went with me, and kept me distracted, and relaxed.

    I choose a tiger head - because I love tigers. I look at the face of a tiger and see so much strength and intelligence and beauty. It was something personal to me. It is a reminder to me, of my own strength, in those times that I need a bit of a boost.

    This is what I learned and figured out...if you are going to get one, have them put it on a soft fleshy part - not over muscle or bone - that will hurt. Mine is in a spot that I will control who sees it. It wont ever get accidentially seen.

    I tried to think of the worst pain I have ever experienced, and came up with the docs sticking a needle in my knee to drain it. if you want another opinion - ask Miss Ann's daughter. We compared notes on the critter board one time, when the subject came up.

    Do I regret it? NO WAY
    Would I get another? As soon as my wallet says it is time. (I would have gotten another one that night, if I had the money.
    It is really painful? I am so not into pain, and comparing the knee thing to a tatoo...the tatoo was like a mosquito bite. The healing process lasted a week - to the day. I was completely healed by my friends wedding, 7 days after i got it. During the week though, it felt tight like a sunburn does, and warm to the touch.

    If you want a tat...go for it...it is a personal decision.

    My funny story? It is a 2 parter...1st part...EVERYONE knew about my tat, except my mom. I told her a year after I got it...And I mean EVERYONE...

    2nd part - when I told my brother, who had lead an...adventurous life to that point..looked at me and said "I don't even know who you are anymore...." Scott, being the competitive soul that he was, would NOT let his little sister do something that he could not...he had one within 6 months....

    AgTigress - We all have our own opinions and beliefs - that is what makes us all different and wonderful. While we don't agree on this subject, I would never hate you for having a different opinion/belief from me. I can certainly understand where yours comes from. I hope you could understand where mine does as well.

    And while I WILL get another one at some point, it will again be for no one else but me. I really have no intention of getting more than one either. For me it is not about usuing my body as a canvas, or to belong to a certain society, it is about ME, and reminding myself with a symbol that I can never lose, and that I will see everyday, that I am a strong woman, and I will survive EVERYTHING that life throws my way.

    Gail - who still cant remember her log in information....(hope this doesn't post twice...)

    5:35 PM  
    Anonymous Katrina said...

    OMG....Anything to talk about tattoos I'm all about it. I love tattoos, I have eight of them, and am planning getting more.
    I mean there are some that I find tacky and wonder what the person was thinking, but all in all...I have nothing against tattoos.
    I always encourage people (no matter what age...well 18+) to get tattoos and I never think anyone is ever too old to get one.
    My boss to celebrate her divorce at 48 got a rose with a stem on her ankle.
    I say got for it...The only real pain involved with tattoos has to do with the outlines, and shading and coloring just gets annoying after awhile...Like someone rubbing the same sore spot over and over again.

    6:50 PM  
    Blogger Jessica said...

    I have 8 tats. I am ALL for them. Each one means something to me personally. I have 4 little musical notes randomly on my body. Music keeps me sane and is hugely important. The randomness of the tats, well the randomness can mean SO many things. You can use your imagination on that one. I have another one, my biggest, on my lower back that I drew myself and holds a pentagram in the middle. This is not important to me bc of witchcraft and all that hupla, Its important to me bc I had just read the DaVinci code and that book made a massive impact on me. I am no longer afraid of religion, I decided that I want to write a novel, and I have a whole new respect for "girl power". Anyone who knows the book, knows that my pentagram is simple statement of feminine power. The tat as a whole is reminder of the book and its profound influence on me. Lastly, my wrists are tatted in the most beautiful designs. My left is in pink, purple, and black. More feminine. My right is in blue, green, and black. More masculine. These 2 tats represent 2 characters in the first book I conceived and started my love of writing. I have yet finish a full novel, let alone even get pubbed, but these tats are constant reminders of my hopes and dreams for the future. Tats are like marriage. They're lasting and if you have ANY reservations before you head to alter, DON'T do it. If you get a tat, make sure you won't regret it.

    8:08 PM  

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